Posted on 06/12/2015 8:30:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN
Ker PING
Justification is an irrevocable legal proclamation. Sanctification is upgrading of software.
pingpong ... this might help along the discussion which we were having about Justification and sanctification.
Daniel Steele’s basic premise was Amillennialism vs Premillennialism. His material ie always geared to proving Dispensationalism wrong, leaving everybody to think his view, Amillennialism, the only alternative. Not true, there is also Preterism, Postmillennialism, and Historic Premillennialism, none of which figures into Steele’s scenario.
People that believe like Steele, are not necessarily Amillennialist, they become Preterists and Postmillennialists.
Nor is there one kind of Premillennialism. as Steele assumes in virtually everything he has written. He conveniently never mentions Historic Premillennialism. “Historic” because it is the view represented in the oldest writings of church history - the ECF. The ECF were to a man Premillennialist, but not the kind Steele rails against, they were neither pretrib nor dispensationalist.
Yeah, nothing else is required: certainly not evidence.
Regards,
The Transfiguration was the glorification of the human body of Jesus. On this occasion His body underwent a change in form, a metamorphosis, so that it shone as brightly as the sun. At the time of the Transfiguration, Jesus’ earthly ministry was coming to a close. He had acknowledged that He was the Messiah and predicted His death and resurrection. Now He was to reveal, to a select few, His divine glory.
The Bible gives this account:
Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother brought them up on a high mountain by themselves, and was transfigured before them. his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with him . . . A bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear him!’ And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. But Jesus came and touched them and said, ‘Arise, and do not be afraid.’ And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only (Matthew 17:1-3,5-8).
Jesus Himself
First, there is the Lord Jesus in His glorified body.
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light (Matthew 17:2)
He will rule in His coming kingdom in His glorified body.
Moses
Moses, in his glorified body, represented the saved that will enter God’s kingdom through death.
Elijah
Elijah never died. He represents those believers who enter the kingdom of God by the translation or the rapture of the church.
I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality (1 Corinthians 15:50-53).
Jesus’ Disciples
Peter, James, and John in their natural bodies depict those Jewish believers who will enter the coming kingdom.
The Various Nations That Will Make Up The Kingdom
The multitude of people, left at the base of the mountain, represent the various nations who will enter the kingdom of God in their natural or non-glorified bodies.
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth (Isaiah 11:10-12).
The Transfiguration is significant because it was the glorification of the body of Jesus. Those with Him saw Jesus in His glory. The appearance of Moses and Elijah testified that Jesus was the one of whom the law and prophets spoke. The approving testimony of God the Father further confirmed the identity of Jesus.
In the Transfiguration of Jesus we have the various elements of the coming kingdom represented. There is the glorified King, those who will come into the kingdom through death, those who will come into the kingdom through the transformation of their bodies at the rapture of the church, those Jewish believers who will enter into the millennial reign of Christ in their earthly bodies, as well as the people from the various nations who will also enter into the millennium in non-glorified bodies.
Is that true? Can you provide a reference? Seriously, I would like one if you do please.
You don’t many catholics. I believe.
Count me in....
It’s going to be awesome.
Who cares what Luther said?
Except Catholic of course, cause he lives in their heads 24/7.
I agree with you.
But, as you have noticed, while this site is conservative, it is not necessarily Christian...
and many on this site despise any hint of dispensationalism.
So much simpler when you look at it according to the resurrection of the dead preceding those living. 2 Thessalonians 2 continues the discussion of the resurrection from 1 Thessalonians. The resurrection does not occur until the man of lawlessness (a true libertarian) is revealed.
The first resurrection is declared with no ifs, ands, or buts, in Revelation 20. So, only those who are murdered for their faith are resurrected upon the return of the Messiah and they rule with Him for a thousand years. As it says in the Bible, “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.” vs 5.
Occam’s razor. Simple, logical, and the spoken word of God.
This is a wonderful post for demonstrating Protestant hypocrisy. You see, this isn't how "tradition" works in the Catholic Church. Tradition (big "T") in the Catholic Church isn't some amorphous, changing set of beliefs. It is the Deposit of Faith given by Christ to the Apostles for understanding Scripture in building His Church.
Had this article been posted by a Catholic with reference to the Catechism, the Protestant Posse would have demanded chapter and verse from the Bible. But it was posted by one of their own so they totally overlook the fact that the premise here is an abiblical vision that is only relevant because it comports to the personal beliefs of the author. Now that's tradition!
Enjoy!
HMMMmmm...
I was reading it KERPing; not ker-PING!
We see snippets from time to time on FR!
This’ll be gone soon!
Even a veiled reference is a no-no!
“The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct.”
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