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1 posted on 05/25/2015 10:05:33 AM PDT by re_tail20
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Reminds me a bit of my dad. Dad was in the Phillipines - Luzon. He was a alcoholic and very distant from my mom and us five kids. It wasn’t until he died that my aunt told me he was on a detail whose job it was to retrieve the bodies of fellow soldiers who had died in battle. Yes, I know this is part of war and the commitment to leave no fellow soldier behind. However, what the Japanese did to those bodies was despicable. He had a hard time with the memories of what he saw.

It made it a bit easier for me to forgive him. A year or two before he died, he wanted me to contact an old army buddy that he was hoping was still alive. I regret that I was too selfish and couldn’t be bothered. I know now that he needed to talk to someone else who had been through it. He was alone in his memories. I so very much wish I had looked up that buddy.


4 posted on 05/25/2015 11:01:03 AM PDT by sneakers
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Sad but interesting, and well written. Thanks for posting this.Glad to see one good piece from the “new” New Republic.


6 posted on 05/25/2015 11:24:16 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: re_tail20; MinuteGal

This is actually a moral equivalence hit piece. The GI is just as rotten underneath the do gooder facade as the enemy was. The slant of this article makes me sick, especially on Memorial Day.


7 posted on 05/25/2015 11:40:28 AM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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The article should not be read without reading this comment that follows--

So, GIs weren't the Greatest Generation after all? Has the author even read the book? Where does it claim the American soldier was anything other than the "complex" individual the author asserts? Read With the Old Breed, the classic about the American soldier in the Pacific War.

Saving Private Ryan sends two messages: First, "Earn this. Earn it." Vindicate the legalized mass murder your side had to commit to defend the right. Second, being nice gets you killed. Neither of these makes the GI a noble knight. What he does afterwards does. For the GIs of the author's arbitrary "afterwards," they were still at war. By the way, combat soldiers were only a fraction of the adult American male population, so they're probably not a good sample to account for a generation.

"Just as capable of depravity," as one commenter wrote, is just describing the human condition, and it leads to the fatuous moral equivalency argument. Everyone is "just as capable," but what counts is how well-reined that capability is. The claim of the author that the GIs murdered "in cold blood" is ridiculous. In fact, the longer they had to be in Dachau, the more inflamed they would be. And Dachau wasn't even the worst. GIs' cruelty in response to what they witnessed was not at all depraved. If you say it was, then you lose the distinction between them and Germans of the Holocaust or Japanese of the occupation and of the POW camps, who truly murdered in cold blood.

Obviously the letters were a catharsis for Wilsey. And, being an MD, he was doubtless confronted with what all combat MDs are confronted with -- being part of an endeavor that is the antithesis of their vocation. Moreover, physicians must live for precision and exacting standards. Is it no wonder many take that home with them?

Suggested reading on how people cope with war trauma: Malcolm Gladwell's, "Getting Over It" http://gladwell.com/getting-over-it/

8 posted on 05/25/2015 11:41:41 AM PDT by Defiant (Amtrak train derails, therefore......Republicans.)
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Some went to the gas chambers,

I don't think that's accurate. Dachau did have a gas chamber, but my recollection is that it was not used. Dachau was not a death camp.

11 posted on 05/25/2015 11:49:00 AM PDT by PAR35
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Well I knew a some guys who were at Dachau on April 29, we left 2 companies there, one to guard Dachau and the other to guard the Autobahn. The rest of us went to Munich. Other units moved into Dachau as we moved out. The incidents mentioned could have happened later but I never heard of them. Maybe I was too busy moving toward Austria to get the war over.


19 posted on 05/25/2015 12:21:13 PM PDT by ex-snook (To conquer use Jesus, not bombs.)
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From his letters:

Truth and totalitarianism just cannot coexist. One of the two has to die. For several hundred millions, totalitarianism did not die—so truth had to. And even the democracies have had to play that same way at times to help fight fire with fire. Even in the Army, bad results/happenings have innocently happened because of the democracies’ necessity for ignoring/suppressing the TRUTH. … So it results in my sitting in this world just screeeeaming sSShHHiiTT!
20 posted on 05/25/2015 2:17:24 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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God forgive me if I say I saw it done without a single disturbed emotion BECAUSE THEY SO HAD-IT-COMING

He's absolutely right on that.

22 posted on 05/25/2015 2:23:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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And God Bless Patton for not having these men prosecuted.


23 posted on 05/25/2015 2:24:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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When I was stationed on Okinawa twenty years after the end of WWII old-timers there would tell of some of the GI's during the war conducting "target practice" by shooting the children off of their mothers' backs where they were being carried - such atrocities happen -
They are not the policy of our military
They are remarkable because they are rare
Those who engage in such practices are usually punished and removed from service (a young lieutenant who shipped through our hospital had used a sword which his great-great grandfather had used in the Civil War and his father had carried in WWII to run through a prisoner in his care - he was treated as being mentally-ill and sent back to the states for disposition)
Lefties always think others should be perfect, unless it's one of their own, in which case anything goes, as we're seeing with the Obama corruption.....
25 posted on 05/25/2015 9:17:39 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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