Posted on 05/19/2015 6:34:15 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
The fact someone states they have read the report makes me somewhat a skeptic. It would be a Juvie record not just in his case but hers and such records are sealed. Those who have seen and read can not disclose contents.
Yeah I noticed the pictures in the article and who with. It sounds more like a political hit piece. How convenient.
I know of, but not about the Bates, from the times I’ve watched the Duggars’ show, which admittedly isn’t often.
I just think the restriction of no hand-holding is extreme and strange. I don’t doubt the Duggars are fine people, but Michelle says she and her husband regret the fact that they kissed before marriage. That, to me, is bizarre. I don’t know how else to describe it.
Again, I do believe the Duggars are good Christians, but they’re caught up in too much legalism, which I think is a result of being involved with that Gothard organization. I felt sorry for the little girls, having to wear skirts outside even when riding bikes.
I like the Bate’s family more than the Diggars, mostly because the dad and mom laugh more and seem like they enjoy each other and their kids. The Duggars seemed to focus so much on training and character that the joy just wasn’t there.
Now we know why-they were dealing with a child who had serious issues and weren’t getting any outside help.
People keep slamming the parents for covering up. I’m not sure it was a conscious decision to do that for financial reasons as many assume. When it’s your own child it can be hard to step back and see the situation for what it really is. Also, when you truly believe (like our fundamental baptist pastor believes) that psychology is rooted in non biblical belief systems, you would tend to try to solve sin issues using only fellow believers and God’s word.
One of our daughters was struggling with anxiety that led to OCD behaviors and counseling was so helpful. We’ve never told our pastor or his wife as they simply don’t believe in it. When you conflate man’s rules with God’s word you can have serious problems.
The Bates Family is a lot more interactive within their community. In this county if something is amiss word gets around fast because somebody knows someone. LOL And there's a few families kind of similar but not as many kids.
I posted some of this reply on another thread about the Duggars. They most likely didn't want CPS {Child Protective Services} called in fearing the family would be busted up and may well have been.
Here's one problem they were facing. If they went to a LCSW to help him and the girls the LCSW would be bound legally to report it to CPS. It doesn't matter what part you are in a case these people are not your friends nor are they to be trusted either by anyone. The victims get put on trial, bombarded with questions, ideas, you name it. Then you have to play the I believe your Liberal propaganda to satisfy their liberal philosophical agenda which is what they are about.
A fourteen year old kid who does something like that especially to a sibling needs professional help way above & beyond a parents abilities and the same with the victims. Both will have to live with it. At 14 there could be hope for the boy.
My guess in a situation like that CPS involvement was trying to be avoided. That can be a nightmare all in it's own more so for the innocents. The victims would see court many times. If you've never been involved in the juvenile issues legal system consider yourself very blessed. It is not a place of truth & justice but rather agendas.
Knowing this took place professional help for the victims should have been sought ASAP. Shop wisely though for that help. CPS involvement which the Cop should have reported it too would have been unavoidable. As well and LCSW/Therapist or mental or healthcare professional with knowledge abuse has taken place is by law required to report it. Which "might" have been the reluctance.
Developmental judgement in a 14 year old is not the same as a 17 year old either. Yes they know right from wrong but a lot of pressure and confusion is there and that's why parents have to be vigilant. It's a parents job to the best of their ability to see to it they don't.
None of us know the full extent of what all happened. Their TV deal was a very bad idea though especially under those circumstances. That brought their family under a microscope by media and others. The welfare and well being of kids must come first and yes juvie records should remain sealed so as the victims identity not ever be revealed if possible even to family name.
No matter what ones opinion is on this most families in this nation sad to say are in some way affected by molestation/abuse. Not meaning every kid but rather a family member such as sibling or cousin or a parent it happened to as a child. Many victims carry the pain in silence for decades due to shame, fear, or try to deal with it alone. Most cases never get reported in time for many reason including fear. Yeah it could be other kids as the perp in molestation cases but more likely it's usually a trusted adult they know..
All this story has done is scored a political hit and forced the innocents involved to live through it yet again. All for entertainment value and news ratings.
It will take a trained LCSW years to help the victims. The sooner the help the better the outcome.
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I totally agree with you.
I’m thankful your therapist helped you. Our daughter is doing better, well enough that her counselor ended her sessions. She was a little girl who was having adult financial fears. It led to the obsessive compulsive behaviors. We didn’t know the root of her anger and picking of her skin, but her counselor figured it out in one session. From there she gave her coping skills and we learned to be very careful what we talked about while she was awake.
Hope all goes well for you in the future:-).
The system victimizes victims and the press pours salt on wounds. It’s impossible to understand unless you have been there. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone short of ISIS members.
As for the so called state protectors? Typical caseworker is recent {less than ten years experience} college grad full of the Liberal Utopian Dream and Agendas. They likely have not been parents either. The others? Usually burn out and leave.
You’re preaching to the choir. Been there, done that, got the hair shirt.
It takes years to heal, especially when the professionals mandate that you accept their “help.” It’s quite a racket and totally destroyed any faith in man and his solutions. There is no civil or law in civil law.
Thank you for the ping. I hope you continue to do well & will keep you in prayer.
I can’t help but wonder if all this could have been avoided had the Duggars not hooked themselves up with the Gothard movement.
Apparently the parents’ idea of handling it was to send Josh Duggar off to a summer job and then let him move right back into the house with his sisters.
I'm just guessing but I'd bet the two most used verses of The Bible by sex offender perps is "Children obey your parents" and "Honor thy father and mother".
The only place they could have gone to for help and still maintain confidentiality without government involvement would have been a trustworthy minister with some advanced psychology training. Even then I doubt one in a thousand would have accepted taking it own unless it was a cult setting and the events used to obtain obedience of the family. One heck of a legal liability to self and the church.
Too there is the issue of though someone forgives you for a crime against them it doesn't relieve you of the consequences & responsibility for that crime nor require you to allow it to happen again. The thief on the cross was forgiven by Christ but died none the less for his earthly deeds.
Under a circumstance that is said to have occurred in that house he needed to be sent to an in patient facility for extensive counseling, treatment, and 24/7 observation by trained professionals not connected to the family.
The sad part of it all is sex abuse happens much more frequently than anyone would like to admit or think about. It can happen in what we would consider the best and worst of homes.
You predicted correctly.
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