Posted on 05/08/2015 5:11:18 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
A few days ago the NC House passed a bill that lifts the ban on Sunday hunting (with a gun, you can already bow hunt on Sundays) on private property.
Still a ban within 500 yards of a church, and some other exclusions. Localities can reinstall the ban in the future if their local community wants to.
Great discussion of the liberty / social conservative dynamic at play. What say Freep nation?
They still ban beer and liquor sales on Sunday here in Indiana.
Government banning certain activities, businesses from opening, etc on Sundays is a ridiculous practice that has no place in a free nation.
I agree. And good on the NC Republican House for passing this. I"m sure the governor will sign, and I would think the Senate would pass also. We'll see.
Even at Colts’ games?
If you serve food you can sell beer on Sunday, so I’m guessing YES.
And that is where revelation 13 is a parallel to Daniel 7.
That same power in Daniel will cause the world to break His first 4 Commandments that deal with ‘worship’ of Him.
The first 4 Commandments are in revelation 13.
That is the same one in Daniel 7..
I think we misunderstand His people... His people are those who have the Son-
At least that is what John said.
Those who don’t have the Son, don’t have the Father 1 John 2:23
The satanic alliance in revelation 13 is the ends to the means of Daniel 7:25..
Ironically, it is those who claim to have the Son(Rome) that has changed time and law.
Maybe there will be a world wide Sunday/Saturday law someday but right now, spiritually revelation 13 and Daniel 7 is going on in the entire world today..
That doesn’t end well.,
Adam was created with the free will to obey God or himself. So are we.
Okay, but I gotta tell you - I just don’t see this law being a part of prophecy. I think you’re way over reaching here, in context, of this particular discussion.
I don’t disagree with any of your larger prophetic points however.
Rare occurrence, not sure where you’re going with post 27.
I agree.
When I first moved from Maryland to Central Pennsylvania (I live in York County and work in the very rural northern Lancaster County – the heart of Amish and Mennonite country) it was a bit of a culture shock for me, took some time getting used to how many independently owned stores and shops, farm markets, even some privately owned – non-chain restaurants, etc. around here are closed on Sundays even with signs saying “No Sunday Sales”.
I respect that and I have no problem with any business owner who chooses not to be open on Sunday – or any other day of the week, whether for religious or for any other reason (FWIW I notice that a lot of hair salons and some carry out shops and Chinese carry outs that are open on Sunday’s are closed on Mondays), that is within their rights IMO. And FWIW Chick Fil A is not open on Sundays and they still seem to do a very good amount of business : ).
OTHO, a coffee shop/cupcake bakery opened up in the shopping center across the street from my apartment complex about a year and a half ago. FWIW, this shopping center also has a large movie complex that seems to have a large number of movie patrons on Sunday’s. But this “coffee shop/bakery” not only didn’t open until 8:00 AM on week days - way too late for me to get a cup of coffee or latte on my way to work, they also closed at 6:00 PM Monday –Thursday – way too late for me to stop by after work, and they were closed on Sundays – the one day of the week when I really had the time to go to a coffee shop and linger for a while, buying more than just a cup of coffee to go. The few times I was able to patronize them, I very much liked their coffee and their cup cakes and other baked goods over the nearest Starbuck and I like patronizing small, local and privately owned businesses, but more often than not, whenever I wanted to patronize them, they were closed. And then they started cutting back their operating hours even more as they were apparently struggling.
They closed – finally shut down their business for good a few months ago and their space is going to become a new GNC store. I often wondered how much better that they could have done by staying open a bit later, especially on Friday and Saturday nights, later than their normal Fri-Sat 7:00 PM closing time and catering to the later night movie crowds and or being open on Sunday’s, catering to the before or after church goers as the Sweet Frog Yogurt place next door does – FWIW- a Christian owned chain that is open on Sunday’s but that was their choice.
IMO, neither the “state”, nor should any local municipality be able to dictate that any businesses has to be closed on Sunday’s, or “keep the Shabbat” nor should they be able to dictate that they have to be open. That should be left up to the business owner and their patrons to decide.
Even if our free will leads to our own detriment, it is sacrosanct with God.
Interesting story, and that local coffee shop/bakery was run by people who seemed to always make the wrong decisions.
And as for Sweet Frog - and Chick Fil-A - two fantastic business models, even as they have different Sunday policies. I respect both, and they made these decisions in the liberty of being a business owner.
AHA, got it. I agree.
I would also say that I doubt a non believer ever moved closer to knowing Jesus due to any legalistic rule. In fact, I’m quite sure the opposite takes place.
I completely agree with this as well. Jesus proposed, not imposed ... His Way. It is why He so disliked the Pharisees.
The fact this law had to be written to ‘loosen’ restrictions that Sunday worshippers had already installed in previous sessions of government is evidence.
This law shows people in the past, even sincere people, had been deceived by the enemy all the while thinking they were doing His Will..
I know that is also somewhere in scripture..
I think I agree with where you’re going.....at least to a degree. I don’t think you have to go to Daniel and Revelation to understand that this is a Pharisaical law and based on nothing Jesus - or Paul - ever modeled.
It is because I don’t use Rome’s calendar in my work or worship life . So I see everything from a different premise than most..
And Rome has some splainin to do..
I wouldn’t say their decisions were “wrong” per say as I don’t know their reasons or motivations for running their business as they did, their business hours as they did, but certainly their businesses failed and that was a shame as they had a good product – i.e. their cupcakes and other baked goods were wonderful and their very coffee good, but IMO, they didn’t operate – keep open during times that at least IMO should have been their peak business hours.
When I last lived in MD there was a little independently owned coffee shop nearby that I frequented often. I loved their coffee and they opened at 6 AM on weekdays, and were open early and all days on Sundays and open until 10 PM 7 days a week. My best friend and I used to go there quite often especially on Sunday mornings and we would order several cups of coffee and baked goods or even freshly prepared breakfast sandwiches. In addition to the many comfy couches and chairs, they also had a free book lending library and many board games that encouraged people to stay and linger, and they had open night mike nights for local musicians and poets – not always to my taste, but they got a lot of business from it.
And as for Sweet Frog - and Chick Fil-A - two fantastic business models, even as they have different Sunday policies. I respect both, and they made these decisions in the liberty of being a business owner.
I am not a big fan of most fast food joints but I do like Chick Fil-A. And the Sweet Frog around the corner from me, is also a favorite place to go when my little nieces come to my place for a weekend visit/sleep over.
Limited hours like that normally means the owners were running the shop for the convenience of themselves, and their workers, which is often just family in a business like that. When you lose sight of the fact that you should run any business for the convenience of your customers, you are doomed. It’s just a matter of time, even when you have a good product (as these people did).
Addendum: this was stated ONLY thinking about this case at hand ... like hunting bans on a Sunday.
Clearly, the need for a Rule of Law by Government is a necessity for the protection of its people. Some laws are needed to protect the citizens and to not permit infringement of their rights by others. Like God also did with His Ten Commandments.
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