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To: CynicalBear
Oh my!!! I've got news for you. Your not Israel and neither is the ekklesia "church" of Christ. If you think the "church" has superseded Israel you have more problems than worrying about some silly old rapture.

The Creator is the same yesterday, today, and will be forever. In Christ there is NOT a distinction of Israel/Judah and Gentiles. All have same opportunity for salvation. The only difference I have found is that the punishment dwelt out to the House of Israel was they would cease to know who they were. Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.....

So when did this 'wedding' take place? Peter tells us that while in the tomb Christ went to all back to the days of Noah and offered them salvation. IPeter 3:18 and IPeter 4:6. We are not told how many souls have already chose Christ during this ministry.

The 'church' does not replace Israel, and as of yet Christ has not returned and joined the two sticks of the House of Israel and the House of Judah. God is quite capable of doing more than one thing at a time, even multiple of things at the same time. It is HIS plan and He send us the volume of the Book as His road map. And it is a tradition of men/women that devised up a rapture notion, I suppose because these souls do not consider God able to protect them through the great deception.

197 posted on 05/08/2015 4:38:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
You wrote: "And it is a tradition of men/women that devised up a rapture notion, I suppose because these souls do not consider God able to protect them through the great deception." So you didn't like the notion that God closed up Noah's family in the Ark so they would be protected? Or is it that you don't like the notion that God says 'Enoch walked with God, and was not?' Noah's family came through the flood and Enoch was taken out before the rains began. Yes, Enoch was but one person. But the Bible clearly states that you and I are The Body of Christ. We are one and the scriptures affirm that we will be taken out BEFORE the tribulation. See Rev 3:10 ''Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.'

There will be a revival like the world has never seen when the Rapture happens and so many are left because they 'had no oil in their lamps.' That revival will be led by 144,000 children of Israel, the Two witnesses, and an Angel.

Can you see that Jesus need not set foot on the Earth to make contact with those in and on the Earth? Did he not appear to Saul ont he road to Damascus, without setting foot on the Earth?

Would you be so kind as to give me your definition of The Church? What is the hallmark of The Church?

199 posted on 05/08/2015 5:30:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Just mythoughts
>>The Creator is the same yesterday, today, and will be forever.<<

If your using that to indicate He doesn't change how he deals with people you may want to rethink. He doesn't deal with us the same as He dealt with Israel. We are not under the same laws so that changed didn't it. We no longer sacrifice on an altar so that changed didn't it.

>>In Christ there is NOT a distinction of Israel/Judah and Gentiles. All have same opportunity for salvation.<<

Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

God isn't done with Israel yet. There are seven years left of the 490 years promised them in Daniel's prophecies. He promised to bring them back to their land and is currently doing just that.

>>And it is a tradition of men/women that devised up a rapture notion<<

The apostles taught the rapture. The "catching up" or the "apostasy" will happen before "the day of the Lord".

1 Corinthians 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (harpazó) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Greek - harpazó - properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively [http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm]

The word rapture comes from the Latin translation rapiemur which means "to catch up" or "take away".

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy (apostasia) comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

Greek - apostasia - apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing." [http://biblehub.com/greek/646.htm]

Noah was taken up out of the destruction as was Lot.

210 posted on 05/09/2015 6:12:49 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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