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Flags are Seahawks' best friend [FlagGate entering Cheaters' Bowl]
ESPN.com ^
| Jan. 29, 2015
| David Fleming
Posted on 01/29/2015 12:13:14 PM PST by Colofornian
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...we've all missed an actual rules revolution going on in Seattle that, with one more win on Sunday in Arizona, could fundamentally change the NFL -- forever. Over the past three years the Seahawks have done something no one in the white-socks-and-black-shoes, stuck-in-the-1950s NFL ever dreamed possible, or legal. Since 2012 Seattle has been at the top of the NFL in wins (tied with 36), Super Bowl appearances and ... penalties. ...Through 18 games, the Seahawks not only have been called for a league-high 144 penalties (according to NFLpenalties.com) their opponents have only been flagged just 80 times. Yes, you read that correctly. The Seahawks have been called for almost twice as many penalties as their opponents.
The Seahawks know the refs aren't going to throw a penalty every play. So just cheat every play and take your eight or nine penalties per game! (By comparison, Seattle's opponents this season averaged just over 4 per game).
I've been pushing for the Pats to be held accountable for DeflateGate, but week in, week out, BOTH teams are high in the "cheating" categories -- the Pats just seem to add more off-the-field "extracurricular activity."
See Deflate-gate triggers stat spat as analysts attempt to solve why Patriots don't fumble for latest statistical anomaly of the Pats since 2007.
Per Mike Sando of ESPN's broadcast segment that accompanies the above article -- but is NOT part of the article:
Seahawks: #1 in unnecessary roughness not only for 2014, but for past three seasons (35)...compared to 18 for the Patriots.
On the other hand...
Patriots: 1st in offensive pass interference
Patriots: 6th in defensive pass interference in 2014
Seahawks: 15th in defensive pass interference
Patriots: 3rd in defensive holding
Seahawks: 5th in defensive holding
So, except for the unnecessary roughness dimension of Seahawks' play, the Pats are actually worse (at least in 2014) for defensive holding and dpi!
Bottom line, this IS the Cheaters' Bowl. (And both teams "qualified" to be here!)
To: Colofornian
And this is the maximum opportunity for the Seahicks, the Superbowl. Refs are loathed to call penalties in this game. They want to let the players play.
Target rich opportunity for the Hicks.
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:17:52 PM PST
by
Tula Git
(There IS a coup in America and it's on track and almost complete.)
To: Colofornian
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:20:26 PM PST
by
tallyhoe
To: Colofornian
WRONG!
If the penalties are called and consequences imposed, then those are the rules, fairly applied.
“Cheating” would be doing the crime, but not the time (or in this case, yardage.)
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:20:53 PM PST
by
G Larry
(Obama may not be "THE" Antichrist, but he is certainly America's Antichrist.)
To: Tula Git
And this is the maximum opportunity for the Seahicks, the Superbowl. Refs are loathed to call penalties in this game. They want to let the players play. Target rich opportunity for the Hicks. (Both defenses routinely flout the rules)
(Considering the Pats #1 in offensive pass interference -- Gronk routinely pushes off to separate & rarely gets called for it -- who can outcheat whom?)
To: G Larry
WRONG! If the penalties are called and consequences imposed, then those are the rules, fairly applied. Cheating would be doing the crime, but not the time (or in this case, yardage.)If 22 of you in your neighborhood conspired to max out your cheating re: tax submissions, knowing the odds that only a few of you would be audited, having 2-5 of you accept the "consequences imposed" while the other 17-20 reaped the benefits of that...and shared it with the 2-5 thus audited, then, yup...cheating.
To: Tula Git
In the superbowl the Pats secondary held Marshall Faulk more tightly than Rosie ODonnell holds a turkey leg but no flags (helped that they seemed to know the Rams play, but that was pre spygate).
Super Bowl officials are going to let them play.
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:28:04 PM PST
by
fungoking
(Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
To: Colofornian
This is the ultimate proof of why the “cheater” obsession spawned by the deflated balls is so stupid. Rules violations are a basic part of sports, it’s built into the fabric of the games, and the structure is such that breaking the rules is often the smart play. It’s not cheating, it’s accepting the potential punishment as worth the risk. Sports is all about risk and reward, you take actions (prescribed and proscribed by the rule book) knowing that it could go well or it could go poorly. And remember the “punishment” for under inflated balls is they switch them and/ or fix them. Exactly what happened.
The only thing that’s actually interesting about Seattle leading the league in penalties and going to the SB is usually the team that leads in penalties is sloppy and poorly coached. This is clearly not the case in Seattle. If other teams figure this out the NFL will join the NHL and NBA that truly understand the idea of a good penalty to take.
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:29:01 PM PST
by
discostu
(The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
To: Colofornian
That’s a lame analogy.
Who said the ref’s were missing things?
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:29:10 PM PST
by
G Larry
(Obama may not be "THE" Antichrist, but he is certainly America's Antichrist.)
To: Colofornian
... but Seattle has the fewest (zero) roughing the passer:
Roughing
To: fungoking
Holding a running back. Interesting.
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:31:40 PM PST
by
AppyPappy
(If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
To: Colofornian
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:37:15 PM PST
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: Colofornian
Equating penalties with “cheating” is kind of a stretch. A lot of penalties - illegal motion, offside, delay of game, too many men on the field, illegal formation, etc. - are the result of timing errors, lack of concentration, or simple confusion, not deliberate efforts to obtain some sort of illegal advantage.
To: AppyPappy
Holding a running back. Interesting.
Not letting him release on a pass pattern out of the back field, huge advantage for the defense.
Not knowing football 101 when posting on a football thread could result in fan card revocation.
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posted on
01/29/2015 12:59:43 PM PST
by
fungoking
(Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
To: Colofornian
I intend to watch the game, but certainly not out of any, zero, nada, no respect for either coach.
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posted on
01/29/2015 1:02:58 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: G Larry
G Larry said:
"If the penalties are called and consequences imposed, then those are the rules, fairly applied." We both realize that not every infraction draws a flag.
The purpose of imposing penalties is to discourage violating the rules. If the burden of the penalties does not, in fact, discourage violating the rules, then eventually every team will modify its behavior and we will be looking at a totally different sport.
If that's an undesirable outcome, then some changes will need to be made so that penalties do discourage CHEATING.
To: Colofornian
Sounds to me like sour grapes from f’n losers. “Mommy, that nasty boy is cheating by following the rules.”
Want some cheese with that whine ?
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posted on
01/29/2015 1:09:46 PM PST
by
jimt
(Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
To: Colofornian
Pure speculation on why so many penalties.
I think that they play very aggressively causing penalties.
This is not cheating......
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posted on
01/29/2015 1:12:45 PM PST
by
BillT
(If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
To: Colofornian
Tush.
The Pittsburgh Steelers built five Championships on offensive holding.
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posted on
01/29/2015 1:12:55 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
To: Colofornian
Yep
Bill Belicheat vs. Cheat Carrol.
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posted on
01/29/2015 1:17:27 PM PST
by
al_c
(Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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