Posted on 01/27/2015 2:57:37 PM PST by ravenwolf
Missed my point, but I do agree with you.
Your denomination is the chief representatives of the amill social gospel I was talking about.
From his other posts, I gather Ravenwolf is not RCC, yet he has identical beliefs on the kingdom and Rev. 20. Let’s see if he is going to come down on the side of your denomination, the world’s classic amillennialists.
Missed my point, but I do agree with you.
Great story. Thanks for the reminder and thanks for posting.
The Word is enough for me - some require a more "adorned" environment.
There are many references to priests (an English word derived from the Greek, presbuteros) in the New Testament, as well as the writings of St. Ignatius, who mentions deacons, presbyters and bishops in his Letter to the Smyrneaens.
The English word "priest" is derived from the Greek word presbuteros, which is commonly rendered into Bible English as "elder" or "presbyter." The ministry of Catholic priests is that of the presbyters mentioned in the New Testament (Acts 15:6, 23). The Bible says little about the duties of presbyters, but it does reveal they functioned in a priestly capacity.They were ordained by the laying on of hands (1 Tm 4:14, 5:22), they preached and taught the flock (1 Tm 5:17), and they administered sacraments (Jas 5:13-15). These are the essential functions of the priestly office, so wherever the various forms of presbuteros appear--except, of course, in instances which pertain to the Jewish elders (Mt 21:23, Acts 4:23)--the word may rightly be translated as "priest" instead of "elder" or "presbyter."...
In other passages it's clear that although men called presbuteroi ruled over individual congregations (parishes), the apostles ordained certain men, giving them authority over multiple congregations (dioceses), each with its own presbyters. These were endowed with the power to ordain additional presbyters as needed to shepherd the flock and carry on the work of the gospel. Titus and Timothy were two of those early episcopoi and clearly were above the office of presbuteros. They had the authority to select, ordain, and govern other presbyters, as is evidenced by Paul's instructions: "This is why I left you in Crete . . . that you might appoint elders in every town as I directed you" (Ti 1:5; cf. 1 Tm 5:17-22).
where there is love, there is no harm and that concept fulfilled every point of the Law that He came to fulfill.
Paul was wrong? What do you do with the Bible, then?
Paul was wrong? What do you do with the Bible, then?
Do you think Paul was refuting what Jesus said? if so do you believe that Paul was right? and Jesus was wrong?
Well, my FRiend, it is you who "connected the dots" and claimed the kindness of the children was the True Church of God on display...not Jesus. And, no, Jesus and Paul do not contradict one another. But, Jesus was principally teaching the Jews the Law and the Prophets, the Old Covenant. Paul was teaching Gentile believers (likely you, and absolutely me) what it means to be grafted into the New Covenant. And, according to Paul, the New Covenant was not inaugurated until His blood was shed. Thus, much of M,M,L & John are the Old Covenant that you may be trying to live...but failing.
But, Jesus was principally teaching the Jews the Law and the Prophets, the Old Covenant.
Mathew 23:33
You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?
In the verses below he was talking to his disciples, many of them no doubt who were preaching the Gospel before Paul was even converted.
And of course we know that is what his apostles were doing in acts.
John 14
15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
Mathew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.
Who`s Gospel was Jesus talking about? i don`t think it was Pauls.
Mathew 16
28 Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
The same kingdom he referred to in 24:14
Matthew 24
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
I think we better take what Jesus said seriously, they are the works of love.
Oh, I take Him seriously...
"I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs (us Gentiles)"Matt. 15:24
The question is, do you? Are you actually living the Law?
"If your eye offends, tear it out and throw it away." Matt 5:29 "You are to be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Matt. 5:48
Works of love? You best amp up your game, my FRiend. Works of love is your softball take on what the One who demanded perfection is getting at. If you want to obey the Law, you better be ready to do it all. Gal. 5:4
Perhaps it would be a good idea if you set out what you believe the "Gospel" actually is. Can you describe, "The Gospel"?
The only Gospel I know is the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus who was and is the Christ.
Since his life is a part of the Gospel and his words are a big part of his life then I would say Jesus is the Gospel, which is not just a truth but THE Truth.
So anyone who says, “Jesus is the Gospel” is a believer?
John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
I appreciate what Jesus said. But, this has clouded the issue. First, you claimed the True Church of God was the kids being kind to you. Now you have claimed that it requires “believing in Jesus”. Which is it?
I appreciate what Jesus said. But, this has clouded the issue. First, you claimed the True Church of God was the kids being kind to you.
If you read all of it you would see that I also pointed out that they were doing what Jesus told them to do.
Luke 18
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
We need to have the same faith in Christ as a child should have in their parents.
Well, there you have it...you saw children who had "faith in their parents" (not sure how you saw that "faith", but your xray vision saw "faith" in the kids). You have determined from the Scriptures that the Gospel is having faith in Jesus the same way children have faith in their parents. Thus, you are certain you have seen a body of believers when you saw the children.
Interesting...nothing about sin, nothing about the blood shed for the sin, nothing about God choosing them before the foundation of the world, nothing about the work of the Holy Spirit. Your view omits most of what Paul taught as the Gospel of Jesus, after the cross. You have a very unusual take on the Gospel.
Garner Ted’s operations never did anything like that though.
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