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Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight [Says sack Brady for Super Bowl if he cheated]
ESPN ^ | Jan. 23, 2015 | Ian O'Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:50:05 PM PST by Colofornian

Under his oversized ski cap, Tom Brady could not hide from the fact he was convicting himself in the court of public opinion. The quarterback of the New England Patriots admitted that footballs pumped up to 12.5 pounds per square inch are "a perfect fit for me," yet swore he did not notice a difference in the AFC Championship Game when most of the balls had significantly less pressure.

Brady's story Thursday was harder to believe than the story of the 199th pick in the NFL draft becoming one of the greatest players of all time...

"I would never do anything outside of the rules of play," Brady said.

But his own words told a different tale, and as soon as he was done talking, a 17-year veteran of the quarterback position, Mark Brunell, said on ESPN that he was among those who didn't believe Brady. Earlier Thursday, even before Bill Belichick seemed to be throwing his franchise player under a triple-decker bus in his own news conference, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman said on a Dallas radio station the following:

"It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."...

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bestquarterback; cheat; deflategate; gopats; patriots; sorelosers; tombrady
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To: Colofornian

If 11 of 12 Pats balls were under spec, and 12 of 12 Colts balls were within spec, you have evidence of cheating. I don’t care who won or whether one or two psi make a difference. I don’t care if they did just as well or better when the psi was corrected. If they cheated they should be punished. They have a proven history of cheating.


61 posted on 01/23/2015 3:02:07 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Colofornian

weren’t the balls used by BOTH quarterbacks?

if one had an advantage, then BOTH had the same advantage

failing to see the issue


62 posted on 01/23/2015 3:03:56 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Vermont Lt
I believe Belicheck when he says he didn’t think about this crap. I think Brady told the equipment guys what he wanted. And he got it. The ball security is tighter in D3 college football than in the NFL.

(I think this is a likely scenario)

63 posted on 01/23/2015 3:04:17 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
My point is that "Deflate Gate" in my opinion contributed HEAVILY to New England's 2nd TD.

A pound and a half of air pressure contributed HEAVILY to new england's 2nd td? Who would actually believe that????

64 posted on 01/23/2015 3:04:29 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Also, according to Colts defender D’Qwan Jackson, the refs put a Colts ball out there for the Pats on several plays.

And despite being credited for being the one to notice the difference in many, many articles, he said he couldn’t tell the ball was underinflated after he intercepted it, and was just taking it for a souvenir.


65 posted on 01/23/2015 3:04:48 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Also, according to Colts defender D’Qwan Jackson, the refs put a Colts ball out there for the Pats on several plays.

And despite being credited for being the one to notice the difference in many, many articles, he said he couldn’t tell the ball was underinflated after he intercepted it, and was just taking it for a souvenir.


66 posted on 01/23/2015 3:04:49 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: sten
weren’t the balls used by BOTH quarterbacks? if one had an advantage, then BOTH had the same advantage failing to see the issue

(No, each team has its own dozen balls submitted to head ref pre-game)

67 posted on 01/23/2015 3:05:04 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

amazing how few people understand boyle’s law ... supposedly taught in high school chemisty


68 posted on 01/23/2015 3:06:36 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Brady says he likes balls at 12.5. That is the low end of the regulation. Take that ball into the cold rain...and it’s gonna get smaller. If 12.5 is “deflated” then you need to change the rule.

Also, do people think Brady was on the sidelines taking air out of the ball? Because that is they only way you can pin it on him. Show me some evidence that Brady did anything. You haven’t seen it because it didn’t happen.


69 posted on 01/23/2015 3:06:47 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: kjam22

I’ll say it again... it is a crazy statement, and unlearned, no knowledge statement, that says Brady or his coordinator would think “wow, I can throw it deep now that the ball has a pound and a half less air in it”. Period. It is a dumb thought to believe that.


Not only that, but the effect of under inflating the ball is to make it a little less accurate, and a little less likely to go as far....like .003 seconds slower to go 20 yards.


70 posted on 01/23/2015 3:07:09 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

The punishment, according the the league rules, is a $25k fine. So that’s it. We should fine them 25k and move on. That fine is right up there with scratching yourself in public and wearing the wrong cleats etc. That’s how important it is based on the advantage it “may or may not” create.


71 posted on 01/23/2015 3:07:51 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: lepton

Yep


72 posted on 01/23/2015 3:08:57 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22
A pound and a half of air pressure contributed HEAVILY to new england's 2nd td? Who would actually believe that????

When we're talking about 1 deep 30-yard pass that might have been more readily dropped in wetter conditions, yes, I've got news for you -- that's all it takes -- is one play to set other things in motion.

Look around you in life and tell me that LOTS of negative things haven't happened by one thing established that might not had played out to the consternation of others had somebody shown some integrity vs. some unethical "shortcut."

73 posted on 01/23/2015 3:09:23 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian.... have you ever thrown a football before? I’m convinced you haven’t.


74 posted on 01/23/2015 3:10:22 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Colofornian

Here’s another piece of info.... a thirty yard pass isn’t really that deep. Its about half or maybe less than half the distance he can throw the ball.... with or without the extra pound and a half of air.


75 posted on 01/23/2015 3:12:10 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Colofornian

“My point is that “Deflate Gate” in my opinion contributed HEAVILY to New England’s 2nd TD.”

You will have to find something better. The ball was not thrown very well.


76 posted on 01/23/2015 3:12:15 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: lepton
Not only that, but the effect of under inflating the ball is to make it a little less accurate, and a little less likely to go as far....like .003 seconds slower to go 20 yards.

Ya know, we could review LOTS of TV clips of "would have been" certain TDs had the ball hung up a little more for the open receiver to run under it.

An underinflated ball is also more likely to "hang up" -- allowing a receiver on a deeper pass to run under it.

An underinflated ball is also going to allow receivers to hang on to a ball easier in wetter conditions. (Indy had no such luxury for an entire half)

77 posted on 01/23/2015 3:12:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

You ever see some of those receivers catching the ball during the game or during warm up with one hand? They can do that with 13 pounds of air or with 11.5.


78 posted on 01/23/2015 3:13:36 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: mmichaels1970

If 11 of 12 Pats balls were under spec, and 12 of 12 Colts balls were within spec, you have evidence of cheating.


No. You have evidence of *something* being different. It could be as simple as where the balls were stored before they were submitted. It could also be evidence that the Colts overinflated theirs, or we’re at the high side.


79 posted on 01/23/2015 3:13:50 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Colofornian

I’ll ask you again.... have you ever thrown a football in your life?


80 posted on 01/23/2015 3:14:59 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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