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Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight [Says sack Brady for Super Bowl if he cheated]
ESPN ^ | Jan. 23, 2015 | Ian O'Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:50:05 PM PST by Colofornian

Under his oversized ski cap, Tom Brady could not hide from the fact he was convicting himself in the court of public opinion. The quarterback of the New England Patriots admitted that footballs pumped up to 12.5 pounds per square inch are "a perfect fit for me," yet swore he did not notice a difference in the AFC Championship Game when most of the balls had significantly less pressure.

Brady's story Thursday was harder to believe than the story of the 199th pick in the NFL draft becoming one of the greatest players of all time...

"I would never do anything outside of the rules of play," Brady said.

But his own words told a different tale, and as soon as he was done talking, a 17-year veteran of the quarterback position, Mark Brunell, said on ESPN that he was among those who didn't believe Brady. Earlier Thursday, even before Bill Belichick seemed to be throwing his franchise player under a triple-decker bus in his own news conference, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman said on a Dallas radio station the following:

"It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."...

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bestquarterback; cheat; deflategate; gopats; patriots; sorelosers; tombrady
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To: Colofornian

Nope.

The Colts’ footballs would have been affected exactly the same amount. But if the loss of pressure was 1 psi, the Patriots’ footballs starting at 12.5 would have been under-inflated by 1 psi and the Colts’ footballs starting at 13.5 psi would have met the NFL standards. But since we don’t know what the original Colts’ inflation pressure was and the NFL either doesn’t know or isn’t saying, we can only guess. I am only trying to define the range of possibilities.


221 posted on 01/23/2015 6:48:50 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: Leaning Right

“Then I suppose you don’t want to hear any of my college slide rule stories. “

I have one for everyone of yours.


222 posted on 01/23/2015 6:49:12 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: lepton
A lot of small things go on to gain an edge or even give oneself a perception of an edge. In retrospect, we are seeing things as black and white, cheater or no cheater, but there is gray.

We don't know what happened, except that the precision of the deflation indicates a human being did it. Brady might never have intentionally encouraged any such thing on a game day. His reaction that he plays by the rules rings true. He could be hedging a little bit, maybe "winked" at such tweaks.

223 posted on 01/23/2015 6:51:08 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: T. Rustin Noone

” footballs “

I posted earlier today a conspiracy theory that the Colts did this on purpose knowing that the Pats balls would be low. The plan was to ‘complain’ about the Pats balls during the game. Of course, this is just a conspiracy theory ...


224 posted on 01/23/2015 6:52:11 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: NutCrackerBoy

“except that the precision of the deflation indicates a human being did it.”

Or that the laws of physics are constant.


225 posted on 01/23/2015 6:53:29 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Colofornian

I think they should waterboard Brady! LOL

I bet that purty boy would fess up in a nanosecond.

just kiddin’


226 posted on 01/23/2015 6:55:47 PM PST by dforest
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To: TexasGator

I like your theory...

The killer is that when the refs examined the game balls at halftime and adjusted the pressure (apparently in only the patriots’ footballs) Brady came out and lit up the Colts for 28 points.

Irony can be so sweet sometimes.


227 posted on 01/23/2015 6:56:27 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: TexasGator

Leather stretches when wet, releasing support on the rubber lining.

I’m getting tired, so my math will need to be checked...

As a rough estimate - If the short axes of the ball expand as little as 1/10 of an inch from the smallest legal dimensions, assuming an ellipse, that’d be another .35 PSI drop, yes?


228 posted on 01/23/2015 7:00:43 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: T. Rustin Noone

“I like your theory...”

My other theory (posted earlier) is that the equipment manager was in debt to the Las Vegas Mob. That is what my source says. Unfortunately he was found expired in his hotel room last night.


229 posted on 01/23/2015 7:02:00 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

“My other theory...”

Interesting. I guess the LV book on the game was Pats by 35 and they took the over? LOL


230 posted on 01/23/2015 7:05:33 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

except that the precision of the deflation indicates a human being did it.


That doesn’t seem valid.

...even assuming we had any idea what the actual precision was in order to discuss it.


231 posted on 01/23/2015 7:08:20 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Diplomat

NFL balls are to be inflated to 12.5 - 13.5 psi.

therefore, a 2 psi loss could be 11.5 psi when measured after the game while assuming the highest possible number prior to game (but without having measured it)

playing within the rules, they could fill their balls to 12.5 psi in a 90F room and then take them out to the 40F game. what would be the change?

P1 = 12.5 psi
T1 = 90F == 305K
T2 = 40F == 277K

therefore:

P2 = P1 * T2 / T1
P2 = (12.5) * (277) / (305)
P2 = 11.35 psi


232 posted on 01/23/2015 7:12:50 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: T. Rustin Noone

Lets keep it simple, find balloon, blow up balloon, place in freezer for 30 minutes, remove balloon. note changes in balloon


233 posted on 01/23/2015 7:16:12 PM PST by scope721
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To: Delta Dawn

Again, non-tampered footballs all remained within the legal tolerances as required by the rule book, so cold weather is just a ruse...


The problem there, is that if the Colts balls began at a temperature of 75, to reach 50 degrees they have had to have lost more pressure than the entire range of allowable pressures. To stay within that range would either require something hinky going on...or they were never warm to begin with.

If one set was warm and another wasn’t, then that throws all of your assumptions about how they should act relative to one another out the window, down the street, and off the cliff.


234 posted on 01/23/2015 7:17:14 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

“As a rough estimate - If the short axes of the ball expand as little as 1/10 of an inch from the smallest legal dimensions, assuming an ellipse, that’d be another .35 PSI drop, yes?”

Good estimate if the rubber was totally soaked but I expect that it is not.


235 posted on 01/23/2015 7:22:11 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Berlin_Freeper
It is a real pity and a true shame that the New England Patriots have turned this Super Bowl into such an ugly stink mess with cheating.

I completely agree with you. I don't know how this will all end up but, it sort of wrecks the big game with all this talk of cheating.

236 posted on 01/23/2015 7:23:03 PM PST by CAluvdubya (<------- has now left CA for NV, where God and guns have not been outlawed! Molon Labe)
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To: sten

P1 = 12.5 psi
T1 = 90F == 305K
T2 = 40F == 277K

therefore:

P2 = P1 * T2 / T1
P2 = (12.5) * (277) / (305)
P2 = 11.35 psi


P1 = 12.5 psig + 14.7
T1 = 90F == 305K
T2 = 40F == 277K

therefore:

P2 = P1 * T2 / T1
P2 = (12.5 + 14.7) * (277) / (305) = 24.7 psia
P2(gauge) = 24.7 psia - 14.7 = 10 psig


237 posted on 01/23/2015 7:26:26 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: sten

Your 12.5 should be 27.2 (14.7+12.5= 27.2)

...otherwise your starting condition is less than one atmosphere of pressure...which does other odd things. ;)


238 posted on 01/23/2015 7:26:29 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: scope721

But it wasnt freezing there. The first half was in the 50’s at kickoff, down into the 40s by halftime. At least it was 40 miles away.

It was raining like hell.


239 posted on 01/23/2015 7:26:44 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: scope721

“Lets keep it simple, find balloon, blow up balloon, place in freezer for 30 minutes, remove balloon. note changes in balloon”

You would need a balloon with a leather wrapping.


240 posted on 01/23/2015 7:29:47 PM PST by TexasGator
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