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Or maybe voters are to blame.
1 posted on 12/05/2014 7:21:33 AM PST by Citizen Zed
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who inhumanely ignored his pleas for help...

After HE stupidly ignored the police command to put his hands behind his back, choosing, rather to say this ends now.

2 posted on 12/05/2014 7:24:21 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Why aren’t illegal sale of single cigarettes just handled with a ticket like overtime parking? Sending a phalanx of cops to arrest a guy for selling single cigarettes seems like a total waste of police resources that could better be used to fight serious crime.


6 posted on 12/05/2014 7:33:17 AM PST by The Great RJ
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Organized crime.....when you compete against organized crime in the city of New York the politicians, by way of the cops, are going to mess you up..!
We seem to be moving toward a political system where only the rich will be able to enjoy the pleasures of life... Soon only the rich will own homes...and only the rich will drive cars... Everything else will belong to the GOVERNMENT and the elitist who own it..!!!

Land of the free...home of the brave....I guess the joke is on us... :(


10 posted on 12/05/2014 7:36:35 AM PST by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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silly question, someone bought a whole pack of cigarettes.
They paid a tax then, why are loose cigarette sells limited?

I know the pack has a tax stamp on it, but this is pretty stupid. How does a bar sell a single beer? Single glass of wine?


16 posted on 12/05/2014 7:46:30 AM PST by hadaclueonce
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I would think maybe the $490,000 paid in fines are just a "drop in the bucket" when compared to the money the LAWEYERS received from the government for defending the perps....I mean...after all...that's what social laws are all about.....right?? A victimless crime designed to steal money from every pocket in the state!!
20 posted on 12/05/2014 7:52:48 AM PST by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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Just a side thought: if I buy a pack of cigs, the tax has been paid, so why can’t I do what I please with them, whether it be smoke them, eat them, sell them one by one, or stick them up my butt? Its not like people buying loosies are going to start buying whole packs anyway, and if I can’t sell them as such I am less likely to buy a pack. Seem like a counterproductive law.


21 posted on 12/05/2014 7:59:54 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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Garner died because he dared interfere with government reach and government muscle that didn't want to lose tax revenue to independent operators.

Enough of this Sean Hannity type of nonsense. I think this line of argument takes away from the real point.

Solicitors who sell anything in public, who do so in front of other people's retail stores are a nuisance. When Giuliani became mayor he created special police units to crack down on ALL soliciting, for both legal and illegal items. Does anybody remember when squeegee guys would solicit business by cleaning windows or when sidewalk vendors overran many areas.

People didn't like that and police units were created to sweep from the streets those nuisances.

Garner was a nuisance. The merchants who's stores he used to stand in front of and hassle the customers called the police as they have done numerous times before. The police responded. Big Government didn't call the police. The citizen merchants did.

Sure Big Local Government does like its tax receipts. But let's keep it real here. Garner wasn't a tax rebel hero. He was a big fat nuisance and the citizen merchants who played by the rules didn't like that, so they called the police.

23 posted on 12/05/2014 8:04:39 AM PST by FreeReign
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I thought Garner bought the cigarettes at retail, and simply was reselling the individually?

If so, they weren’t “untaxed”.


27 posted on 12/05/2014 8:20:09 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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Nonsense, this wasn’t a special arrest method taught to cops to use if the arrest is cigarette based.


54 posted on 12/05/2014 10:01:12 AM PST by ansel12
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