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1 posted on 11/19/2014 3:14:13 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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  Obama will veto everything and it takes 60 votes to override a veto
2 posted on 11/19/2014 3:17:16 AM PST by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Exactly what I was wondering on the drive home last night.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 3:17:50 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You always needed 60 votes to get cloture in the Senate.
Once the bill is on the floor a simple majority can pass it.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 3:19:42 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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The term is cloture. What it means is there are not enough votes to filibuster the bill. Looked at another way there is enough support for the bill in the senate to bring the bill to the floor for debate and vote. This is a senate rule intended to provide the minority a means to stop legislation they strongly disagree with from getting to the floor. It has nothing to do with veto override, though it could be considered an indication of voting strength.


13 posted on 11/19/2014 3:53:50 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I know that it is some kind of "rule" that Harry Reid instituted

Not really. Reid has held up popular bills that actually have more than 60 potential votes. He has done the exact opposite by nuking the filibuster for judges. Used to need 60 to advance a judgeship to a full vote, he made it 50.

14 posted on 11/19/2014 3:57:26 AM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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Reid’s Rules of Order for the Senate have given the Senate majority leader virtual dictatorial power over the Senate. Change of the 2/3rds rule to 3/5ths invoking cloture or consent to Judicial/Cabinet nominations was pre-Reid. Reid further eroded minority input by changing consent to 1/2 plus one of Senators present for lower level nominations, often referenced as “the nuclear option”.

Veto overrides yet remain at the 2/3rds requirement. However, neither consent nor veto can be achieved until cloture stops debate. SCOTUS ruled against BHO’s direct recess appointments despite Senate declared sessions to the contrary.


19 posted on 11/19/2014 5:26:53 AM PST by Radtechtravel
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The standing rules of the Senate permit unlimited debate. Any Senator may continue talking as long as he wishes, and the Senate will not vote until everyone is done, and consents to a vote, or invokes cloture, which requires 60 votes, to close debate despite the objections of a minority.

There are terminological subtleties at work here. When a Republican minority insists on extended debate and refuses to permit a vote, it is "filibustering" and "obstructionist." When a democrat minority refuses to permit a vote, the press merely asserts that it takes 60 votes to pass a bill.

20 posted on 11/19/2014 6:04:39 AM PST by sphinx
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It takes 60 to invoke “cloture” and stop the debate so it can go to a simple majority vote (51).

This is a scam both parties use to say they were “for something” before “they voted against it”.


27 posted on 11/19/2014 3:16:15 PM PST by Fledermaus (REPEAL OBAMACARE!! Hold the feet of the GOPe to the fire!)
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