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To: gdani

>> It’s a shame more so-called “small government” conservatives fail to realize or simply do not care what the War On Drugs has done to the Fourth Amendment and prison budgets.

> It’s evidence liberals and those conservatives really do not differ - they both want and welcome Government into their lives, just for slightly different reasons.

Points about liberty vs use of government for social good purpose are well-taken.

I am not so libertarian that I’d forbid the government from intervening when Party A does something to harm innocent Party B while I am observing as Party C.

This is one of the legitimate purposes of government: to enforce contracts. Or, in this case, to prevent Party A from imposing his will against the interests of less powerful Party B, who has not agreed to a contract with A.

In the case of drugs and alcohol and gambling, many Party A’s do indeed infringe on the freedoms and liberties of many Party B’s: their spouses, children, neighbors, communities by their use and abuse of intoxicants.

We conservatives, unlike liberals and unlike full-fledged libertarians, do believe in the use of government to intervene in contract breeches. The data on drug, alcohol, and gambling is strong enough that we can predict a widespread deleterious effect on spouses, friends, children, etc. when these vices are legalized and freely available. The conservative can remain a conservative and support criminalization of a narrow range of vices.


40 posted on 11/05/2014 12:10:30 PM PST by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474
In the case of drugs and alcohol and gambling, many Party A’s do indeed infringe on the freedoms and liberties of many Party B’s: their spouses, children, neighbors, communities by their use and abuse of intoxicants.

How does Party A's use or even abuse of intoxicants infringe on the freedoms and liberties of their neighbors or communities? (Spouses and children is a valid point - for those users who have them and who use to the point of neglecting their obligations.)

48 posted on 11/05/2014 12:29:56 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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