Posted on 11/01/2014 10:11:43 AM PDT by knarf
FR is hot with news and commentary about the upcoming election and a common theme / argument / point for discussion is the RINO's of the GOPe ...
” * Recall that in 2010, McCain ran out of money for his senate reelection and had to borrow $20 million from his presidential campaign fund.
I still wonder about that, but no one else has shown any interest:”
I have posted on this subject around 50 times.
'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,Kinda gives you pause.
"House of Cards" also gave me some additional insight into the workings of Washington.
Is it more important for a Republican to be conservative or Christian? To me it seems that a lot of Rinos are very secular.
There are no wise few; for in all men rages the folly of the Fall. Take your strongest, happiest, handsomest, best born, best bred, best instructed men on earth and give them special power for half an hour and because they are men they will begin to [perform] badly -G.K. Chesterton
Republicans and Democrats used to respect the rule of law. That was back in the 1970s. Even with Nixon, there was an expectation of a higher standard expected of the presidency.
Carter, Ford, Reagan, and Bush were honorable people and respected the office that they held.
It wasn't until Clinton that everything changed. People were said to "admire" the ease with which Clinton lied to people's faces. Rather than be aghast at the thought of a chronically deceitful president, the MSM was impressed with how Clinton got away with it. Never mind that it was their own negligence at journalism that let Clinton skate.
Once it became clear that not only were the MSM on the Democrats' side, but that they would openly advocate for them, the Democrat overreach began. Pelosi and Reid became ruthless in their flagrant flaunting of the law, while Republicans still tried to hold up the standard of law and respect for the offices they held.
With each successful transgression by the Democrats, they just became more emboldened. Which brings us to Obama today.
On the one hand, I think Democrats expected Hillary Clinton to be the beneficiary of their well-laid plans, but Obama appeared out of nowhere and usurped the ground. Even Democrats, to a degree, are surprised at how far a president with no regard for tradition, the Constitution, and respect for others, can go without being called on it.
As for the RINO's, they are just politicians who are trying to catch up to the game as it is being played today.
-PJ
GOP unity against the Democrat Borg is an absolute must. We should judge a “RINO” not quickly in absolute terms, but with careful deliberation, in relationship to how liberal of a state or district he emerges from. Are we really going to criticize an R from West VA for less than perfect rightness as demandingly as we would an R from Texas? In realistic terms, Scott Brown was as valuable an asset to the Right in a MA as Mike Lee is in Utah.
Brown and Lee were both as far to the right of their States’ centers-of-political-mass as they could be and still win, although it appears Brown is going to lose to the dingbat Democrat in NH, and that is not helpful to the right. “Good gracious even Brown was too far right for NH” - is how we should look at it. When judging “RINOs” do we not think that there are Liberal voters in camps around this country who are susceptible to Dem propaganda? We must also be aware of gratuitous drama by self-interested conservative echo-chamber groups and talk radio queens who foment civil war on the right which enables leftists when the dust settles.
If you are going to focus on that rather than the larger issue, then I will as well:
RINO is an acronym; it is capitalized because each letter represents the first letter of a word: Republican In Name Only.
The ‘s’ in the pluralization of such an acronym is at the end of a word (whether ‘Republican’ or ‘Only’); thus the apostrophe marks not a possessive form but a contraction form of a word.
I happen to write plurals of acronyms this way and for that reason.
Regardless, did you really find the post incomprehensible on that point? I would not, even if I agreed with your grammatical argument.
May God help us as a people and those of us that are His .. give us wisdom to make wise decisions and strength to carry them through ... in Jesus' name
Amen
Can you raise this new party as kind of a parallel but virtual party to the GOP, -kind of a beta version party - until it is able to get more votes than the GOP, at which point everyone will be told to immediately switch over? or will it be siphoning off votes on the right while it grows, helping the left for a few elections, like Ross Perot did in 1992?
When this new party has primaries, will it draw from a different pool of candidates than the GOP draws from? Will it face the same populace with the same sentiments and passions, strengths, and flaws (i.e. Americans) as the GOP now faces every election?
Many believe in the Constitution, but also believe, like some FReepers, that there are times when the Constitution is inconvenient or doesn’t make sense. They become complicit in the Left’s overtaking of a once free nation and trying to make it a nation of subjects rather than citizens - they are fine with that as long as they view themselves to be sufficiently high in the power structure because the “I got mine so F you” meme is a powerful one among humans, especially the baser ones.
I agree with your assessment, but disagree with FreepeR participation with that assessment
You may have not been involved in some of the side threads over a period. Some want protections that require "interference" because of their own personal wants and needs. Other say that something seems to make sense w/o considering the Constitutionality.
Not widespread, but we have folks from all over the spectrum here and some forget to examine Constitutionality before forming/expressing opinions.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity....Psalm 133:1 (KJV)
There can be only one right party that can defeat the left party, no matter what it is named.
And voter fraud, media lies and idiots who believe in government providence make it vital that we on the right, who have the same basic view on the role of government, like when it came to the question of Obamacare, stay unified. When the primary is over, the most conservative candidate that can win has been chosen.
In Virginia’s 7th district right now, the primary victor, Dave Brat, who beat Eric Cantor, has a spoiler “libertarian” running against him, as well as a democrat. The libertarian missed the primary and is either a sore loser, or narcissistic spoiler. Effectively he is a supporter of Nancy Pelosi. Dave Brat is a fine replacement for Eric Cantor, but some people, like this libertarian, would still call him a RINO.
Well, I used the example of Ross Perot. In 1992 he got 18.9% of the popular vote and zero electoral college votes, and Clinton won with 43% of the vote.
If Chris Christie or Jeb Bush gets the GOP nomination in 2016, what percentage of voters on the right will actually support them?
If Jeb Bush or Chris Christie win the GOP nomination, they will have made a case for themselves, and the choice will be between them and Hillary, who will be worse. If you don't like Christie or Bush, neither of whom thrill me, get behind Scott Walker in the primary season and see that he wins the primary. I would recommend avoiding a Senator.
"What percentage turned out for McCain and Romney?"
Not enough to free us from Obama, who was worse. And whose fault was that? In 2008, not "even Ron Paul" (or Sarah Palin) could have won. In 2012, it was the voters' (47%) who fell for Obama, and the pedantic >3% who "sent a message" (to no one) and didn't stay unified to the ONLY party that could have defeated him.
"And since the moderates that the GOP throws it's support behind usually lose, what difference will it make?"
What difference will any party make that doesn't win, and how will a RP (Ross or Ron) party win with even less of a concentration of rare and precious right votes than already concentrate in the GOP?
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