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Thanks, fellow dog lovers, for any light you might be able to shed on this problem.

1 posted on 10/12/2014 7:29:41 PM PDT by CovenBuster
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My cousin on Long Island had a problem with her dog about ten years ago.

The dog was having seizures and no longer recognized members of the family.

It took a while, but the cause was traced to the chemicals used in the manufacture of the doggie bed. The seizures stopped when the doggie bed was thrown away.


29 posted on 10/12/2014 8:53:38 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Politicians and diapers must be changed often for the same reason)
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I had a snoodle, part poodle, part schnauzer. The vet told me both breeds are prone to seizures In the beginning they only lasted no longer than 20 seconds, I got valium from my dad and would give her a 5 mg after the seizures, because they can have sore muscles after having one. But the vet told me as she got older, they would become longer..For about 5 years they remained small. When she got about 8 they became longer with some lasting over 2 minutes. Then she started to have ones that caused her to lose both bladder and bowel control...so I had to keep her in the kitchen at night. We finally had to put her down...she had a personality change (like the vet warned me) but she lived many years with mild seizures, there is medication for such seizures if they are frequent...Her later seizures lasted up to 1/2 hour...thats when she lost bowel and bladder control....good luck with your 4 legged family member..
30 posted on 10/12/2014 8:53:53 PM PDT by goat granny
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I have heard of people curing seizures in animals with you guessed it, yup hydrogen peroxide. How old is the dog and what does it weigh?


31 posted on 10/12/2014 9:07:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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Short answer: get another vet.
Diabetic can cause problems, alright, and 10 years old, ain't no "spring chicken".
How will you feel at 70 years old?
Depending on the finances, it might be better to get another much younger dog.
But I'd try Dinovite for Dogs first.
32 posted on 10/12/2014 9:22:14 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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I had a collie who had seizures. We gave him meds regularly from the vet to keep them at bay. Even with the meds he had about two a month.

I’m sorry.


33 posted on 10/12/2014 9:28:32 PM PDT by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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Ivermectin can cause seizures.

Also, have you had her SNAP 4D tested for ALL tick born diseases?

Two of my dogs who were Lyme-positive initially presented with “seizures” which were not true seizures, at all.

Doxy stopped them in their tracks.

^That is the avenue I would explore, first.

I would also cease all flea treatments.

They’re a lot more toxic than people think.

Best of luck with your pup.

It grieves me to hear of FReeper-dogs not feeling well.


34 posted on 10/12/2014 9:34:37 PM PDT by Salamander (People will stare. Make it worth their while.)
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Are you in the southern hemisphere? I’ve been giving my hounds Heartguard since warm weather, after a vet’s OK, so for six months. If you have also been giving it to them monthly and they haven’t keeled over, then that’s what HG is supposed to prevent, right? Heartworm. I’m not sure what concerns you about their next dosing if they are protected, but a simple blood test should confirm if it’s safe or not.


35 posted on 10/12/2014 9:38:29 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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As an aside from, it’s better to have your dog SNAP tested for heartworms and treat them *only* if they become positive.

Heartgard is not a very good wormer as it totally misses whipworms, which are just as deadly as hookworms and has too many side effects for my comfort.

Better to dose everybody with Panacur every month or two to knock out intestinal parasites and check for heart worm a couple times a year.

[oh, yeah, *this* heretical post is gonna get me some blow back, I bet]

:)


36 posted on 10/12/2014 9:39:36 PM PDT by Salamander (People will stare. Make it worth their while.)
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Get a bunch of these and set them around your house.

http://www.victorpest.com/store/insect-control/bsm230?gclid=COLFqpjoqMECFYMF7Aodu3oALg

The fleas joyously jump in and suffer horribly.

Much fun.

Spot treat the dogs with Vet’s Best non-toxic flea spray available at PetCo or PetSmart.

Give them weekly baths with Dawn original style [blue] dish detergent.

Buy some ‘Skin So Soft’ from Avon.

Seriously.


37 posted on 10/12/2014 9:43:28 PM PDT by Salamander (People will stare. Make it worth their while.)
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I have no tips or ideas on the question.

But I do know now not to apply tea tree oil directly on a dog and never use a product with it on a cat. Very toxic to cats and toxic to dogs at higher levels. I didn’t do it but I am the one that realized what was wrong with the dog and did a search on it and found out about the only way to treat it is by giving the dog food grade activated charcoal and making sure it drinks water. Lucky we found the charcoal at W-M and it worked to save the mutt. She couldn’t move her back legs at all but she was better a few hours after the first dose. It could be something that in low levels doesn’t cause problems but could if there is a larger dose or a build up.

Avoid anything made in China - lost 3 dogs in a little over a week in 2011 because of this. We lost 4 dogs in less than 2 weeks, the 1st died at the vets after getting fixed. She ripped her stitches out. Next was my Golden, the mutt and then the rat terrorist.

Food grade activated charcoal for both your pets and yourself is great to have available for numerous situations.

Food grade Diatomaceous earth can be used for flea control, both internal and external. Make sure it is food grade as they have other versions that might harm.


Odd how things happen around the same time. Could be a brain cycle thing. I wake up at 4 am every night with my right thigh feeling like it is on fire. My Golden girl used to have twitches around the same time every night for a few weeks and then it would go away for a while and then come back.


46 posted on 10/12/2014 10:37:03 PM PDT by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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Take this as intended, just my experience over the years I have loved dogs, learned as much as I could to keep them healthy and fit.

Back in the mid-to late 90’s, I learned that even the best “kibbles” proscribed by well-meaning vets contained ingredients that caused slow damage over time. Those that purported to preserve shelf life, but that caused dental problems, skin problems, neuro problems, parasites like fleas and ticks, ear and yeast issues, etc.

A breeder back then suggested that I give my dogs “bones” to prevent dental plaque, and with the advent of the internet, I started doing some research into doggie dental health and disease.

I decided, based on my research, to switch to a “species appropriate” diet for my dogs, meaning “raw meaty animal carcasses, bones, and organs” in proper proportions, and avoiding all grains. I also decided to forgo any but the initial basic puppy shots, and then only the “required by law” rabies shots every three years after.

I also decided to keep my dogs away from chance encounters with other dogs, and avoid dog parks, day-care, mass groomer establishments, and pet stores.

I avoid all flea care products, heart worm products, and anything commercially produced to “enhance” pet health. I have had no flea/tick/worm problems with my dogs in those years, even though living in a rural area with abundant local wild life vectors.

By giving my dogs a meat/bone/organ diet only, with minimal inoculations, I have saved a fortune in vet bills, and have had very healthy dogs, with no skins/ear/dental problems, with no flea/tick/worm problems.

I do not live in the southern states, so that may make a difference.

But, in the past 25 years, my vet bills have been ridiculously minimal, and my dogs have been completely healthy. The most important benefit on a daily basis that means the most to me?

Their poop does not have a disgusting smell, breaks down into a white powder after a day in the sun, is very firm & easy to pick up if I am in an urban area, which I always do, with just a paper towel.

If anyone wants to consider my way, I learned it all from Tom Lonsdale, an Australian vet. His website is “rawmeatybones.com”.

I used to feed my Belgian Malinois high quality chicken drumsticks/thighs/livers from the local rural supermarket, but now live in an urban area that has a “pet-food-deli” where I can get ground whole free-range chicken, turkey, quail, rabbit, cornish game hen, etc -which suits my little 10 lb. guy just fine. (Since I am now in “senior living”, I can only have the little ones as companions.)

If I now had larger dogs, I could buy ground beef, deer, bison, etc.

Do some homework, read up on the benefits of feeding raw meat, bones, and organs at the website mentioned above.

Manufactured kibble is not good for dogs. I wish it were, for it is so convenient and easy to store, but I just can’t financially afford the long-term health complications. I actually spend less on this raw food than ‘I would on high quality kibble, and the savings in vet bills is just an added incentive. Twice annual dental cleaning is very expensive, and my dogs never have plaque on a raw diet!

There are many dog lists/forums for those seeking info on treating the complications of feeding kibble, and the benefits of switching to raw. I am sure there are some devoted to epilepsy.

I would suggest doing some ‘net searching for these, as I am no expert at dealing with the consequent illnesses that result from feeding too many grains and “meal by-products” to a species that once ate a healthy diet years ago, and now doesn’t tolerate heat-processed grains/meals processed from left-overs from processing plants, no matter how engagingly advertised - over time.


48 posted on 10/12/2014 10:39:58 PM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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HeartGard (ivermectin)

I believe that is for heartworm, not fleas..

It's common and spread by mosquitos.

Not familiar with any seizure issues, so it might be epilepsy, often caused by genetics.

49 posted on 10/12/2014 10:45:10 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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My Yorkie had these. Brain tumor.


53 posted on 10/13/2014 4:14:08 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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My German Shepherd developed seizures and Phenobarbital did the trick. Have the prescription called into your local pharmacy. It was 10 times more expensive at the vets. Good luck with your doggie. I know it can seem scary but the vet told me it was harder on me than the dog.


54 posted on 10/13/2014 4:15:08 AM PDT by CTGOPPER (Conservative in Connecticut. Really.)
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My little Maggie has the same problem. Took her to the vet and he prescribed phenobarbital 16.2 mg twice a day and the seizures are rare now and usually because I sometimes forget the evening dosage.


55 posted on 10/13/2014 4:55:29 AM PDT by BamaDi ("The definition of a racist today is anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal.")
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Could be a tick-born encephalitis. You might try a round of antibiotics and see if it changes anything. I’ve been through this once with one of my male Labs. Now, my elder female is going through it. She started off having Parkinson’s like “ticks” where she would freeze for a moment. That has now progressed into an occasional seizure. I’ve had her on a rotating antibiotic schedule for about a month. It seems to help significantly with the ticks, but I know it’s only temporary. She’s given me 15 great years. If I can give her a few months of a better quality of life it’s worth every penny.


56 posted on 10/13/2014 5:03:42 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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My mini-dachshund developed seizures, but lived to a ripe-old age with one prescriptive intervention. They're right, the seizures are worse on the owner.

A friend euthanized her mini-dachshund because of the seizures. :(

57 posted on 10/13/2014 8:01:08 AM PDT by Does so (SCOTUS Newbies Imperil USA...)
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My dog was on phenobarbitol to control his seizures. It worked quite well.

And it’s a little hard to tell if a dopey dog was dopier due to the dope.


61 posted on 10/13/2014 10:25:54 AM PDT by dmz
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From what I’ve read, the ivermectin causes seizures in certain breeds, which indicates a genetic component. If your dog had that gene, you would have been seeing seizures when you first started your pup on the Heartguard.

I would definitely continue the ivermectin and look for another cause.


73 posted on 10/13/2014 4:37:50 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: CovenBuster; vetvetdoug; Abby4116; CARDINALRULES

Had a seizure dog once but may have to interrupt posting for work.

Quickly, FReeper vetvetdoug is indeed a vet and gives wise counsel. Alas I see that, like me, you’re afflicted with the Obamaconomy.

However, I will second whoever first recommended Salamander and her love & willingness to assist pups & their owners. And accourse she’s chimed in - I’m leaning heavily toward (parts of) posts 22, 34, 37 plus honorable mention to 46 for food grade DE.

As mentioned by others, Ivermectin can be disastrous to collies & their relations, perhaps other breeds/individuals as well.

Epilepsy, aside from other causes of seizure, usually shows up age 2-3 y.o. Look toward environmental/nutritional causes of your dog’s seizure. Eliminate all questionably artificial or vaguely poisonous vectors.

Gahhhhhhh gotta go get caught working. Good luck & for what it’s worth I’ll try to return.


76 posted on 10/14/2014 12:38:31 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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