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If Your Pastor Has A $60k A Year Clothing Allowance, You Probably Should Leave That Church
Townhall.com ^ | 10-12-2014 | Doug Giles

Posted on 10/11/2014 9:11:03 PM PDT by servo1969

Last Thursday evening I had my pastor over to Casa de Giles to enjoy one of my fine cigars with the family and me. During the course of catching up, I found out that several new families from a local South Florida mega-church had left that zoo and had joined our church. The reason why they said they absconded had me gobsmacked – and I’m a hard critter to shock.

Having been in the ministry for twenty-five years, I’ve pretty much heard it all and have seen it all, but I wasn’t ready for this curve ball. This time it wasn’t because the “pastor” was an impenitent adulterer or heretic or because he was going all Rob Ford and stuff down on South Beach or that he was squat-humping altar boys.

No, the reason they fled Babylon was because they found out that their pastor had an elder-approved clothing budget of $60,000 a year built into his financial perks for pastoring. What a dandy. Sounds just like the lowly Nazarene, eh? Five grand a month? Really, dude? Oh, and I almost forgot, he also never wears the same clothes twice when he appears on stage on Sundays. Who does he think he is? Mariah Carey?

As I was listening to my brother line out what these refugees had told him was their reason for leaving, I couldn’t help but contrast that crap with another minister whom I had met with the week prior who runs a massive ministry providing the basics for Iraqi Christians being slaughtered by the Islamic State in northern Iraq. His ministry is a real front-line-life-or-death works in one of the most anti-Christian hot spots on the planet. Oh, by the way, he takes no salary for all the hard work he churns out helping thousands under Islam’s heel.

As a 51year-old I’ve had it with the Christian Glitterati obsessed with “success” using ministry as a means to get rich, wear Rolexes and play like they're Ryan Seacrest. Our world is going to hell and the last thing we need is a preening pastor with a histrionic personality disorder.

For what it’s worth, my brethren, here’s my advice to saints who might find themselves in a similar silly church situation.

Yep, folks, my time, talent and treasure will only go to ministers and ministries that stay true to the Verbum Dei and who do good works for those who’re truly in need. I suggest you do the same and flee the carnival-like mooks who’ve let their personal ambitions eclipse biblical principles and common sense.

Amen.


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KEYWORDS: church; douggiles; giles; megachurch; pastor; scams
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To: servo1969
If your pastor sounds more like Tony Robbins than the Apostle Paul, leave

lol... I think we all know a Houston area "pastor" who fits that description

21 posted on 10/11/2014 10:30:00 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: servo1969; a fool in paradise; metmom; Morgana
If you get more Gospel from Hee Haw reruns, you might be in the wrong church.

I think we can all come up with a good one.

22 posted on 10/11/2014 10:31:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: prisoner6
“Sooo...I shouldn’t have watched Dr Eugene Scott?”

I would always stop on the late-night channel to listen to his wife. She did the “teaching” type of sermons with lots of Hebrew and Greek language meanings thrown in.

And she made the point of saying that she did not want donations from the TV audience. That the TV show was paid for by the church members as their gift to get the message out.

Definitely an odd story with him and his wife - but I sure learned a lot from her.

23 posted on 10/11/2014 10:35:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Leaning Right

People in sales know about this. Their saying is “never dress better than your customer, and never wear your best suit to go begging.” Be glad that these so-called pastors are relative pikers and easily spotted. Many know the game well enough to be inconspicuous about it.


24 posted on 10/11/2014 10:41:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SpaceBar
The fact that God is big business only comes as a surprise to the naive.

It's probably just me but being a porn surfing EPA bureaucrat sounds like an easier gig

25 posted on 10/11/2014 10:52:35 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: prisoner6

We used Dr. Scott for entertainment value. My family still talks about the time, probably 25 years ago, that Dr. Scott sat onscreen without talking for hours, until the donations got to a specific level. LOL!!


26 posted on 10/11/2014 10:55:23 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Modern "Peace Officer" motto-"We have to go home at night, we don't care if you do.")
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To: servo1969

My Priest came over and I was surprised that He had holes in in his pants. Not big, just a tear. Great guy, I really love him, and he takes care of my family


27 posted on 10/11/2014 11:11:31 PM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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To: PastorBooks

Church boards are often composed of sock puppets. It is the pastor’s fault.


You do have a point. The pastor has a pride issue, imo. Making his looks more important than the fiscal well being of his church.


28 posted on 10/11/2014 11:21:37 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL!


29 posted on 10/11/2014 11:26:41 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Leaning Right

Silly, but since it’s from your father, you get a pass.


30 posted on 10/11/2014 11:27:50 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: servo1969

My favorite TV preacher was a late 40’s, early 50’s white lady, who preached like she was black. She had the Call and Response, and everything.

If you closed your eyes, she was black.


32 posted on 10/12/2014 12:15:22 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: servo1969
Jesus *said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” - Matthew 8:20

I don't think there is a problem with a pastor and his family being provided with a livable salary. However, there is a problem when a "servant of the Lord" is living a christian version of a rock star income. It does not reflect well on the Master's message. There is indeed a problem. Just because the church is able to do so, does not mean they should do it.

Jesus preached to multitudes, He healed the sick and disabled. With that kind of "star power", He could have made nice tidy sum. However, He did not.

If a person went into the "ministry", they should also accept that it is not a get-rich scheme. Just because they can does not mean they should. They do reflect the Master.

We may argue, "Well, people cannot live like Jesus." True, that is why I think a livable income is just fine so they don't have to worry about taking care of their family. However, they need to remember that they are in the business of helping save lost souls and things not of worldliness.

33 posted on 10/12/2014 12:18:26 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: servo1969
This is my commamdment, that you spend mega bucks on clothing!

If you worship mammon that is.


What reason do we have to don fancy attire and celebrate? We still have infant Auschwitz's in every major city?

I'm sure the Creator will be impressed with your shiny threads though.

34 posted on 10/12/2014 12:21:58 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Politicalmom

His widow Mellisa Scott has taken over preaching duties and shows up on late night TV or satellite. She scribbles on a white board and walks around as she talks. If you try to follow what she is saying you end up playing with your lips and mumbling to yourself.


35 posted on 10/12/2014 12:38:42 AM PDT by howlinhound (Live your life so that, when you get up in the morning, Satan says, "Oh Crap!..He's awake" - Unknown)
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To: GeronL

Come up with a good one? Why sure.

About twenty years ago I was regularly attending a Lutheran (ELCA) church until that one Sunday when.....

(Here’s where Paul Harvey would say “The rest of the story.”)

The pastor took as his text for the Sunday sermon not a passage from scripture but rather a chapter from the book “Jonathon Livingston Seagull.”

I was waiting for him on he church steps after the service, but he never showed. And he stopped returning my phone calls.

And of course, I took my young family elsewhere.


36 posted on 10/12/2014 12:48:05 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

bttt


37 posted on 10/12/2014 12:49:01 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: servo1969

Amen.


38 posted on 10/12/2014 12:54:35 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: servo1969

Yep


39 posted on 10/12/2014 1:05:51 AM PDT by wardaddy (Ferguson MO...but i thought blacks went north to escape the racism of mean ol southerners)
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To: howlinhound

Former porno gal.

Nice natural bod but no preacher

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3002157/posts

I find women preachers uninspiring....tks anyhow


40 posted on 10/12/2014 1:18:14 AM PDT by wardaddy (Ferguson MO...but i thought blacks went north to escape the racism of mean ol southerners)
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