Posted on 10/10/2014 12:51:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I suspect Joe would have liked to be a warlord. He just wasn’t any good at it.
Finally! I get tired of seeing documentaries during Easter where historians are given air time to deny the existence of Jesus and now muslims deserve that same treatment.
Saving this to read later.
This book was first offered on Amazon April, 2012 (when I bought it) and Mr. Spencer is still walking around.
Lycurgus never existed, but this is a new one to me. Thanks SeekAndFind.![]()
Spencer was on Medved’s show today talking about this book. I’ve read some other things Spencer has written, notably The Arab Mind. A fascinating look into how the Arabic language and its idiosyncrasies have molded Arab and Muslim thought processes.
The British managed to eliminate the Thuggee cult, proving undesirable death cults can be properly dealt with . . .
The Brits didn’t have Geneva, UN Human Rights Council, 100,000 willing Commiecrat lawyers, several domestic & international bleeding heart NGOs, etc. to contend with.
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I find it difficult to believe he started a religion and just picked up on the moon god and added to it....
Joseph Smith was a simple farmboy...
Muhammad Sven Kalisch is an Islamic researcher at the University of Münster. He is also the first person in Germany to hold a Chair of Islamic Religion. Kalisch’s recent public admission that he is unsure whether the Prophet Muhammad was actually a historical person has got him into hot water.
The plan to train teachers to teach Islamic religious education at German schools has suffered a major setback in recent days. The Co-ordination Council of Muslims in Germany (KRM), to which the four largest Muslim organisations in Germany belong, has discontinued its co-operation with the Centre for Religious Studies at the University of Münster, which became the first centre of its kind in Germany to offer teacher-training courses for teachers of Islamic religion.
The dispute centres around the Director of the centre, Professor Muhammad Sven Kalisch, who converted to Islam at the age of fifteen. Speaking in a radio interview, Kalisch said that following extensive research and study, he had come to what is for a Muslim a particularly controversial conclusion, namely that the Prophet may not in fact have been a historical person.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Kalisch is no longer a Muslim and has skipped the name “Muhammad” 8 min video (in German) http://sommers-sonntag.de/?p=7522
They could put this rumor to rest by doing some random dna testing of goats from the middle east. :)
A related comment by wideawake
Hmmm . . . his work would seem to lend linguistic credence to the theories of theologians who see Nabataean influences in Islam.
The Nabataeans were an Arabic people who lived on the eastern borders of the Jews. They spoke Aramaic and they were allies of the Romans.
Their religion was apparently a mixture of Arab paganism with tinges of Judaism and Christian influences as well.
If the Koran shows as heavy an Aramaic influence as this guy suggests, it makes it pretty likely that the Koran is just cobbled-together fragments of eclectic Nabataean religious texts.
Just as many Jewish texts are written in a blend of Aramaic and Hebrew using Aramaic script, the Koran could be a blend of Arabic and Aramaic in Arabic script.
This would explain the thousands of words and phrases in the Koran that are obscure and that have provoked endless commentary.
It would also explain why the Koran is so disorganized and shuffled. It is the least coherent, in terms of narrative structure, of any major Near Eastern text.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277705/posts?page=10#10
and by Odds:
Just one example of how the Quran, generally Mo, Islam & Islamic traditions have been influenced by preceding religions, religious books & customs:
The Lost Archive in #68 says Islamic tradition emphasizes oral transmission in reciting the Quran, because Mo was illiterate & his followers had to memorize his words as revealed to him by Allah....
Well, the Avesta and the Gathas in Zoroastrian tradition are orally transmitted as well, particularly by Zoroastrian priests (mobeds). Of course Zoroastrian text and religion are by far older than Islam.
Post Arab-Islam invasion of Iran oral transmission & reciting the Avesta from memory became necessities, because the Moslem-Arabs burned as many Zoroastrian texts as they could find.
But, prior to that, it was also the tradition because the Gathas (17 hymns believed to be spoken by Zoroaster himself) are in rhythmic poetic verse form, in ancient Prakrit & Sanskrit (old Aryan languages). The root word for the Gatha is gai, which means speak, sing, recite or extol.
An interesting connection between the rhythmic poetic verse form of the Gathas and Persian (Iranian tradition) is when one looks at Iranian literature over the centuries, even post-Islam. Iranians are not good at prose, but excel in poetry, with numerous fairly famous poets right up to present day.
Most notably, Ferdowsis famous Shah-Nameh (Book of Kings) which is about reviving the Persian language and pre-Islamic history (written around 10th century AD), is mostly written in rhythmic poetic verse, rather than prose.
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/2875371/posts?page=69#69
RE: The dispute centres around the Director of the centre, Professor Muhammad Sven Kalisch, who converted to Islam at the age of fifteen. Speaking in a radio interview, Kalisch said that following extensive research and study, he had come to what is for a Muslim a particularly controversial conclusion, namely that the Prophet may not in fact have been a historical person.
So, is Muhammad Sven Kalisch still a Muslim? If not, this man is clearly living a life of cognitive dissonance. How can you doubt the historicity of Muhammad and then confess “There is no god bu Allah and Muhammad is His prophet”?
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