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To: odds

~”94% of Iranian people are against the ruling Islamist regime that is anti-Iranian, anti-American, anti-civilization, and rules under barbaric Sharia laws.”
“Many Iranian clerics are against the rule of religion in government. The majority of the clerics do not dare to speak up — the ones who have spoken up have either disappeared or been arrested, imprisoned, tortured, and executed by the clerics in charge of Iran’s so- called Justice system, called Revolutionary Court.”

If we are really determined to eradicate Islamism, we should stop making deals with them and start supporting the people against the Islamist regimes.

I especially agree with the above.~

Kinda like Eastern Europe under late communists.
And we are talking about quite an advanced society with some pro-Western traditions.
Yet, when we hear about negotiating Iranian situation it is all about: ‘Let’s bomb them to the stone age!’
No regime change is ever considered though it certainly might work in this case.

But it is absolute opposite towards less advanced societies which lack any understanding of Western values and basically a cerpentariums with people waging a perpetual bloody war against each other over ridiculous issues.

It usually takes a secular dictator to stop the whole mess and then force idiots to a public school to at least explain them the consequences of inbreeding, to teach them that it is actually Earth which revolves around the sun and that the infidels are not actually a source of all troubles but people who made assault rifles, pickup trucks and even light bulbs shine.

I have no idea why but these are dictators who are allegedly guilty of atrocity of keeping the haters down and we hear about some sort of ‘moderates’ who have to replace them.
What ‘moderates’? Do they mean a group chopping heads over too short skirts or another one crucifying over eating meal with left hand? Or maybe a third group which hangs people over emo hairdo and listening to pop music? At least we have choice, isn’t it?:)


7 posted on 10/05/2014 12:39:06 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix
Kinda like Eastern Europe under late communists.

Interesting you say that. Few yrs ago, there was another FReeper from Poland who said exactly the same thing.

A big difference is the mullahcracy is even worse, because communism was/is a 'man-made' doctrine or ideology. The mullahs use a much higher authority, a set of laws (sharia) and more importantly the Quran (which according to them is immutable) to impose their totalitarian religious dictatorship.

What ‘moderates’? Do they mean a group chopping heads over too short skirts or another one crucifying over eating meal with left hand? Or maybe a third group which hangs people over emo hairdo and listening to pop music? At least we have choice, isn’t it?:)

Personally, and for the record, I'm completely against Islam, any Islamic influences and any and all mullahs.

I didn't write this article, though my understanding is that one must put what is said in the article in context. The context being "separation of religion and state" (secular). As an example, Boroujerdi (an Iranian mullah himself) was (and is if he is still alive) entirely against the religious dictatorship in Iran. He was a "secular" cleric. When he opposed the regime mullahs, they arrested him, threw him in prison, tortured him, denied him his medication, and I don't know if he is still alive.

In addition, even within the mullahs regime, there are 'reformists' (some call them moderates). In foreign policy, they can absolutely not be 'moderates', because foreign policy is dictated by the Supreme leader at the very top. However, on social issues a 'reformist' president such as Khatami did push (some limited) ideas through. During his presidency, the women were given more freedom in terms of hejab, for instance. His aid Saeed Hajjarian tried to make some changes on social issues, aiming for a more liberal stance. He was shot by a hardline basiji and ended up in hospital with serious injuries.

Once again, I'm against all mullahs or any religious dictatorship particularly Islamic one. But, the main point is that so long as the Velayat-e Faghih (Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists) i.e. Khomeinist Doctrine and in fact 'invention', continues to be the basic foundation or even part of the Constitution of Iran, even those 'reformist' (aka moderate) mullahs within the current regime will have extremely limited voice, and will not be able to action much of their so-called 'moderate' ideas.

8 posted on 10/05/2014 1:14:39 AM PDT by odds
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