[catfish1957]

Hmmmm.. do you know anything about baseball? Ryan pitched for poor NYM, CaL, Hou, and TX teams. Maddux pitched a lot of years for ATL teams that were always in contention.

Funny, you strategically left of K's and No hitters. Geez!!!!

[Charles Henrickson]

Yes, I left off Randy Johnson. I also left off Bob Feller, Juan Marichal, Mordecai Brown, and some other guys who might make a top ten list. There's only room for ten.

Also, compare Ryan and Maddux in ERA+. That stat is less dependent on whether you're on a good or a bad team, and it also adjusts ERA for era. Maddux is better, and by quite a bit.

I don't know of any major rankings list, compiled by baseball experts and historians, that puts Ryan in the top ten all-time among pitchers. A Hall of Famer, yes, and deservedly so. But not top ten.