How far we have fallen.
Posted on 08/31/2014 5:57:16 PM PDT by xzins
Edited on 08/31/2014 6:26:22 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
A jury on Friday found a man guilty of murder after his pit bulls mauled a woman to death in a high desert town in California where residents said they carried rocks and guns for protection against packs of dogs.
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I’m sorry...did it seem like I knew nothing of them?
Dobermans were also been fashionably altered to near-uselessness and for mysterious genetic reasons, their vitality suffered and we now have all these “common and expected health issues”.
Breeders are currently importing European bloodlines in an attempt to restore them to their former hardiness.
I have *long* said that ghetto trash ruined “pit bulls” by breeding indiscriminately.
*Not* breeding for correct type and temperament brings a host physical/mental detrimental side effects.
However, the overwhelming number of “hopeless dogs” successfully rehabilitated by rescue groups proves that nurture trumps nature.
The stars incline, they do not compel.
Today, millions of bully-type dogs will bite absolutely no one while numerous non-bully breeds ~will~ but go unreported.
Until and unless the owners of biting dogs are publicly pilloried for their irresponsibility, _nothing will change_.
Again, I hope they make a dire public example of this owner.
Great, so all the people doing Schutzhund with their German Shepherds and Belgian Malinois are now automatically guilty? No, those dogs are truly trained for specific actions to be under control, whereas trailer-trash junkyard-dog pit owners are at best conditioning dogs to just plain act mean and vicious, albeit they already have bred-in tendencies.
Guys like this are not model citizens, but they are not necessarily guilty of out and out murder, even if the law has been twisted to get more ridiculous (as if that hasn’t happened before).
I am just adding info for other readers.
Temperament is just as affected by breeding as conformation, yet this is basically denied by supporters. There can be no denying there is a major problem in many bulldog/PBT type breeds, although not all of them.
Sorry, but it is hard to believe so many more dogs have been misidentified as PBT types when the numbers dwarf the second suspect, Rotts (which is for sure one breed). Mis-ID is a problem, and why I do not support BSL, but there are far too many to be just a fluke, unlike the other breeds and types. 2 or 3 to 1? That is not just a bunch of mistakes.
Any dog that viciously mauls someone is very likely to make news, but studies of dog attacks are not based strictly on mere news reports. They are based on police reports.
I’m no lawyer, so I can’t speak to the issue of a dog trained as a legitimate guard dog that attacks a human being. I would think the issue would be whether it was inside its own guard area. At that point, with proper signage, I imagine that owner is as pristine innocent as the driven snow.
But, if you train a dog to be an offensive weapon and then don’t control it, don’t have it within a confined space, and don’t have adequate warning, then I can see you being viewed as a cause of someone being injured/killed.
I assume there is a reason to distinguish the types of murder. Broadly speaking I do see a difference between accidentally killing someone and intentionally killing someone.
It’s good to see he has a life outside the ring that isn’t just studding.
He’s still insanely overdone, as are most of his peers.
http://www.realdogs.nl/page/dogsofyore
I’m not sure why the 70s caused so many breeds to be drastically modified from the AKC standards, but they were.
That ^ page shows the changes accelerating in the late 50s and by the 70s, the hammer head was the new normal.
CH Haymarket Faultless looked little like the BTs of today.
It’s not just the “Bull And Terrier” who has been mangled.
People do weird things to dogs for the sake of fashion.
A desirable long term goal would be to make the penalties for all unwarranted dog attacks so dire that human trash would no longer desire to own or breed them, out of sheer dread of the potential legal liability.
If they were removed from the equation, water would seek its own level, as it were, and “pit bulls” would revert to the breed that earned the reputation “nanny dog”.
The WW2 advertising Pit was chosen because, at that time, *so many* people owned, loved and trusted bullies with their families, that it served as a unifying and comforting meme.
A return to that is not out of reach.
The “wrong people” need to be outlawed, not the “wrong” breeds.
How far we have fallen.
Most people in that category couldn't care less about legal liability as they own nothing of value and probably already owe money to a bunch of people. You can sue them all you want, only one getting paid will be your lawyer.
Not interested in suing them.
I want them locked up.
Nobody’s too broke to go to jail.
Another lie. Pits rarely get to half that weight.
Misidentified by a fanatical liar.
Was it you?
I could do this for hours. In some ways guns are much safer than Pit Bulls because they are easier to secure, easier to confine to a property, can be disabled from doing any harm to anyone with locks, and a gun will never make a decision, all by itself to do harm to any person. A gun will never spend one second of time with a pack mentality when there are several other guns present, and a gun will never take a single step going anywhere under its own power.
When you make the choice to own a dog that is more prone than any other dog breed to attack people randomly causing great bodily harm and or death, you must assume full responsibility for your choice, and their actions. You have made the choice that puts others at risk.
From the point of ownership forward if your dog kills someone it is homicide. If you intentionally let or have them kill someone it should be murder one or two.
If for what ever reason they escape and kill someone it should be negligent homicide.
The penalties for death by pit bull should be exactly like you or someone else using one of your guns to kill someone.
Tge nanny dog stuff is nonsense. If anything, St. Bernards and the like were more like it.
The nanny dog thing appeared very very late, after dog fighting basically totally disappeared. As in’60s and on.
The litho you show is based largely on the dog’s names. Plus what they thought may convey toughness. Not that Dachshunds are that tough, but they are nasty sometimes. I would not take war propaganda as proof of what were “most representative”.
Why is it Bulldogs, Boston Terriers, and Bull Terriers all became reliable? Maybe they did not have all the features the fighters wanted, so they ignored those breeds while concentrating on others. Indeed, they made them nasty THROUGH BREEDING (GENETICS) never mind their treatment. Yes, it could be changed, but right now the majority of these types have it in their blood. The here and now is what matters, not what might happen in the future. To get the future, the dog has to be controlled and only good people breeding out aggression very seriously. Not only trashy people, but bleeding-hearts should be excluded from getting their hands in it. The breeds need people who take it seriously and will mercilessly cull dogs and their offspring with any sign of that aggression from breeding.
You just pointed out how guns are safer than dogs BECAUSE THEY CANNOT MOVE THEMSELVES.
Dogs are autonomous animals, and thus it is totally unfair to have an owner pay a huge price for what his dog does. Are you aware that they have medical problems, too, that can come out of the blue? Like humans? A brain tumor could cause a dog to snap. How fair is it to make an owner go to jail and have that record and ruin his life because he thougt his Border Collie was perfectly fine yet has a tumor hitting just right?
Never mind the many more times that dogs act the way they want when alone, have gutless do-gooder owners that think no dog is ever wrong so never treat them seriously and overlook or excuse bad behavior, do not condition and train them right, etc? These people may be fools, but do they really deserve that fate for their asinine dog or the dog that just was obtained with questionable temperament? Plenty Americans really do not respect the dog and make them subservient. I don’t like it but I am not going to lock them up for it. In fact they are proof most dogs do not have serious temperament defects, because so few American owners are really serious about demanding respect from their dogs.
http://www.dogbreedprejudice.info/
http://www.thepetcollective.tv/did-you-know-that-pit-bulls-were-known-as-the-nanny-dog/
Maybe you haven’t seen an American Pit Bull, but someone in your neighborhood may well a pedigreed American Staffordshire Terrier or (especially) the much smaller English Staffordshire Terrier, in either case purchased from a reputable breeder.
I'm laughing.
Maybe an American Bully Terrier, or a Pit Bull mix with something like a Bullmastiff, but not a pure bred American Pit Bull Terrier.
Somewhere, an English Staffordshire Terrier will get a bad rap for this, even though the males average in the low 30 pounds, and they never hit 40 pounds.
Ah, the Staffie: "because of their natural fondness for people, most Staffords are temperamentally ill-suited for guard or attack-dog training."
Yet we have American Pit Bull owners calling their dogs Staffordshire Terriers to get around Pit Bull bans, giving the Staffie a bad name.
Oh there are plenty of freakishly large pit bullls because people who admire their ability to rip humans apart become breeders and brag about the size of the dogs. The AKC can decline to register them but they remain pits.
I generally think it’s a good idea for pit advocates to publicly display their complete disregard for human life, their narcissistic needs etc. so thanks for posting.
I cannot count the number of yard sales that I have blithely swaggered into, only to be slobbered all over by the resident “guard pit” or Rott.
Oddly enough, I would ~not~ sashay into a Dobe or Lab’s yard.
If you had an iota of integrity, you’d be ashamed of yourself.
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