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To: Sivad
There you go. Impeachment IS such a bad idea ... Nothing good could come of it. Let the POSOTUS sink in his own S. We can survive until ‘16.

Perhaps. Then there's this:


Article. II.
Section. 2.
Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There's a long list of corruptocrats who are counting heavily on a presidential pardon to save their carcasses from long, long prison sentences, and many of them warrant a hangman's noose.

The process of impeachment will suspend the presidential power of pardon.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 11:40:00 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
it seems so easy to sway the LIVs,
thank you, for your interesting post.

18 posted on 07/25/2014 11:49:48 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Citizen Zed; TigerClaws; 2ndDivisionVet; ArmstedFragg; UCANSEE2; Sivad; tumblindice; LyinLibs; ...
Regarding post #16 and the suspension of the presidential powers of pardon, Congress has been investigating impeachable offenses pretty much non-stop since odinga waltzed into the White Hut.

The SCOTUS will most likely be hearing pleas from many on such a list as to why their pardons are invalid.

19 posted on 07/25/2014 11:59:05 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
The process of impeachment will suspend the presidential power of pardon.

Impeachment is not a criminal process. Its sanctions are limited to removal from office (thanks to the memory of Charlie I, no doubt!).

The power of pardon is over the federal criminal process.

Still unresolved is, can a president pardon himself (but that would be wrong, LOL) for criminal offenses committed while in office?

26 posted on 07/26/2014 2:08:15 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: meadsjn

With respect, I believe that section refers to the individual under impeachment being ineligible to receive a pardon, not the president himself. In other words, it’s another of the framers’ clever means of maintaining separation of powers: since impeachment is supposed to be a serious business, they did not want a president issuing pardons willy-nilly to blunt congressional power.

As for Obama, this is a sign of Jarrett’s intellectually bankrupt desperation. They have literally nothing positive to say about themselves or their party and merely hope to sling mud and claim persecution. For once, the GOP’s passive stance may help them laugh off such paranoid fantasies by the White House.


32 posted on 07/26/2014 3:31:01 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: meadsjn

Well, the GOP may want to start the proceedings before all of Gitmo is pardoned.


39 posted on 07/26/2014 5:55:37 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: meadsjn
Thanks for pointing that out.

If there is anyone who "didn't build that" it's Barry obama and his presidency.

By now it's obvious that there are a lot of folks with a lot invested who did "build that" and their boy Barry is only good to them unimpeached.

They've paid quite a bit for their obama "Get Out of Jail Free" card and will keep it safely tucked away in their back pocket. Keep your hands off!

All for one, and that one for all of them...them or US.

44 posted on 07/26/2014 6:26:50 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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