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To: jerod

I have read and enjoyed both. I’m looking forward to the final volumes of “A Song of Fire and Ice,” to give the series its true name. Where LOTR is lyrical and soaring, ASOFAI is vulgar and earthy. The plotline of LOTR is simply threaded; that of ASOFAI is Byzantine. Both have compelling characters. LOTR is the world as we would wish it to be, noble, predictable, and dignified; ASOFAI is the world as it often is, mean, capricious, and demeaning. I only hope GRRM lives long enough to finish the saga.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 11:23:03 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl
I have read and enjoyed both. I’m looking forward to the final volumes of “A Song of Fire and Ice,” to give the series its true name. Where LOTR is lyrical and soaring, ASOFAI is vulgar and earthy. The plotline of LOTR is simply threaded; that of ASOFAI is Byzantine. Both have compelling characters. LOTR is the world as we would wish it to be, noble, predictable, and dignified; ASOFAI is the world as it often is, mean, capricious, and demeaning. I only hope GRRM lives long enough to finish the saga.

Agree on all points. I would add only that we can't answer the thread title's question until/unless A Song of Ice and Fire is completed.

31 posted on 06/21/2014 12:45:13 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Hootowl
LOTR is the world as we would wish it to be, noble, predictable, and dignified; ASOFAI is the world as it often is, mean, capricious, and demeaning.

I agree with this analysis, mostly.

However, I believe there's more in it than you may realize.

LOTR was written by a man who was born and grew up at the height of Western Civilization's self-confidence. His stories display an ultimate faith in the worth of the civilization and its ideals, no matter how often those ideals fail to be achieved.

In the movies that is best shown by Sam's great speech about some things being worth fighting for.

Martin has obviously, at least to me, been brought up in the cynicism of our present elite. The book is not about a battle between Good and Evil, or a battle between civilizations, it's about a squalid struggle for power within a civilization. To Martin, and people like him, that's all that is Real. The relevant point is not whether they are right or not, it's that their perception is to them all that exists.

So to me, GoT is based on the modern liberal worldview, LOTR is based on the older worldview held by many conservatives.

Note that I have seen only segments of the GOT series, and read only about the first three books in the GOT series, and that was a long time ago, so I may not be entirely accurate in this charactierization. OTOH, I know Tolkien inside-out.

49 posted on 06/22/2014 6:46:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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