Skip to comments.A Question for the Lawyers on FB about Elliot Rodgers
Posted on 05/25/2014 11:43:31 AM PDT by 7thOF7th
Can anybody intelligently answer this questions about how a British national who has a history with psychological issues and has received counseling, can legally obtain three semiautomatic pistols in this state or country?
No background check?
Being a Democrat, it’s no problem (gun-free zones are only for the peasants).
Not anymore !
Your health records are now available to IRS
In the State of Florida , your carry and conceal pistol permit is carried on your DMV information available to LEO.
Every gun purchase requires a NICS background check. What do you think it would have found?
The problem is, who gets to decide if someone is mentally ill? Many libs consider ALL conservatives to be mentally ill. They believe wanting to own a firearm is a sign of mental illness. They certainly would consider anyone who posts on Free Republic (this includes you) to be mentally ill.
This is not paranoid thinking. Leftist statists have used the “mentally ill” tag on their opponents throughout the 20th and now first part of the 21st centuries. Stalin and Hitler (he was a national socialist, hence a leftis statist, not a conservative) are prime examples. As are some of the current “leaders” of the demscum party.
That is the problem...
That depends on the mental problem.
Are the effects of a toothache like the effects of a stroke?
There is a pretty wide range in mental health issues as to what the effects are, the duration, the cause, and the completeness of recovery.
PTSD (as an example) arises from unprocessed memory of a traumatic experience. Mild cases are completely recoverable, and relapses are unlikely.
Schizophrenia has a stress component and a genetic component. Treatment is often lifelong.
And those.just address completeness of recovery, not potential for violence.
The question as posed is so broad as to have no possible intellectual solution (other than to break it down. )
Those are interesting thoughts but I don’t see any connection to the question I asked.
You don’t need permission in this country to own a gun. You only need money. The only people who seek government permission are law abiding citizens who have no intention of committing a criminal act.
“Are people with mental problems more likely to go on a rampage if they are under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist? They need to do a study on that.”
Shrink here: Studies of “the seriously mentally ill” - i.e. Schizophrenia and Bipolar Type I - show that they are no more likely than anyone else to become a danger to others . . . as long as . . . 1. They take their meds as prescribed, 2. They don’t use drugs or alcohol, and 3. They have no past history of violent behavior to others. That sub-set represents perhaps 10% of those living outside institutions . . . . It also cannot be extrapolated to other psych illnesses, such as this young man’s extreme narcissism.
To answer your question: No, I don’t think so. Most professionals do the best they can under the law to keep folks with mental illness from hurting themselves or others, but there’s really little they can do realistically in most cases in most jurisdictions. (The Tarasoff Ruling, BTW, put an unbelievable burden of protection on such professionals, a burden that is unprecedented in any other field, even law enforcement and the judicial system, as can be seen in this case and many others.)
I am sure that professionals do the best that they can. I see that you put several caveats in there. My question was not about the responsibilities of the professionals though it was simply about a statistical comparison of mass murderers who were under care vs. mass murderers who were not.
“LEGAL aliens have the same right to own guns as you and I.
HIPAA regulations keep all mental health info SECRET.”
This is exactly correct. An legal alien with a green card, a residence address and a driver’s license can purchase and possess firearms, subject to the NICS background check.
Of course, prohibiting this narcissistic POS killer from having a firearm would not have saved his first three victims. There has got to be more to the story of how he killed three males with a knife, by the way.
Would that also mean that he is too mentally ill to vote?
Yep. It's exactly like Prohibition in the 1920's. And if the lib's ever get their way and prohibit firearms, it will turn out exactly as the prohibition of alcohol turned out.
“But heres a better question: How many of the last 12 mass murderers were under some form of recent psychological care? Isnt it all of them? Seems the area that really needs to be examined is how we handle the insane, but thats really tricky compared to blaming guns (or knives.)”
Just had situation with my city’s police, a couple of weeks ago. I’m a board member for running our local AA meeting hall.
We had a mentally ill patron, who started damaging the building. We told him to leave, he would not, police called, etc.
The police were called back a few days later, when he came back, against our policy for six months suspension.
The police said they knew he was mentally ill, but had to wait until he did something violent to arrest and detain him.
The overall behavior and demeanor of the police, was totally CYA; fearful of lawsuits should anything go awry with the fellow.
Dude, this is FreeRepublic. Take your nutty BS over to the ‘Truther’ forums.
I’m sick of ‘false flaggots’.
There are probably not enough mass murderers to run a statistically significant “large-N” study, especially after all the haggling that would take place about definitions (many types of mass murderers, you know) and exclusionary criteria. And then there is the usual need to run multiple independent studies before anything can be said with any certainty, and then a chorus of critics who will point to the need for prospective (rather than retrospective) double-blind studies that use sham/placebo therapy, in order to say anything with confidence about the preventive value of various treatments.
Hopefully, after a hundred years of ObamaCare and police-state totalitarianism, the NSA will have collected enough data on every citizen to be able to answer your question, though.
LOL Well, I hope the few thousand people left, living in wickiups, appreciate the results.
What kind of psychoactive drugs was he taking? Strange how Big Pharma never gets any blame.
Yes. Ignore the anti-NRA dad. He is simply out of his mind with grief.
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