Posted on 05/24/2014 6:48:40 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine
Of course, the Maine Constitution only pertains to changing the form of Maine's state government, and does not pretend to any power of secession.
Again, I have been unable to find any legal provision for the supposed June 12, 2018 referendum.
You don't want to live like that -- I get it. So don't live there. Simple. Unless, of course, you are a Maine resident. Then, you would have to choose. Now, it is Christians who have to go underground as employees or employers, and even as neighbors and civic participants, even though Christian values were effectively the social norm just a few years ago.
I do suggest you ask a woman, any woman, whether she would rather wear a burka or forego shopping on Sunday. I think you would find that there is a big difference.
Sunday was a deep physiological rest, because it was quiet that day, without the roar of traffic and the buzz of electricity in shopping areas, and the more or less reverent attitude until late in the afternoon. I haven't heard quiet like that on the East Coast ever since, except for the few days after 9/11 when all air traffic was halted and people hunkered down. Now, you can't even sleep in on Sundays if you are an atheist, because of all the lawn mowers, edgers, leaf blowers, thumper cars, other people's house parties, trucks and SUVs, sports events, and so on; and bosses don't even let vacationing employees off the digital hook at any time. I have seen many members of the nation's most privileged generation start dying young from stress.
Again, a distinction without a difference. YOU are making the rules. YOU are restricting freedom. "You cannot shop on Sunday" is EXACTLY the same as "You must wear a burka"
I”m not the one promoting this specific movement. I’ve been posting about it theoretically because I’m intrigued by the concept and would like to see it happen somewhere, somehow: that Christians can legally live the way they traditionally did until the Marxist cultural revolution enacted by our courts, and now a rogue regime, over the past 60 years.
I am arguing for FREEDOM, which you seem to reject. You are the Taliban.
It really isn’t. And why do you care, since you wouldn’t want to live in such a community? No one would make you live there.
yes it is. Explain, in plain english, how "You cannot shop on Sunday" is different from "You must wear a burka"
you are restricting freedom for religious reasons. You are no different than the Taliban.
You are arguing for universal multikulti libertarianism, and labeling it freedom. I am exploring the possibility of a territory that legally provides the environment for freedom IN CHRIST. You and others who share your point of view would still be free to live however you want in a place that will allow you to live however you want.
At present I and other Christians like me are not free to live how we want, because we get labeled Taliban or bigot by people who have lost — or who never found — their boundaries, and who do not understand the concepts of individual liberty (it’s a two-way street), free markets, freedom of association and the republic form of strictly limited government.
Let's try again - Explain, in plain English, how "You cannot shop on Sunday" is different from "You must wear a burka"
I know you can't, so that is why you avoid a simple question. You are a "christian" Taliban. You make rules that restrict freedom, for your view of religion.
So you believe when Christ said "This is my body" do you believe "Is" means is? I do. If I believe differently from you, am I allowed in your territory?
And the good folks at Chic fil A are forced to be open on Sundays. Right.
You do not understand liberty. You are fighting the wrong battle.
“Remember the Free State Project?
Vermont has its own secessionist group.”
The Free State Project is in New Hampshire and is still actively working to recruit people. They are also not looking to sucecced, but to control their destiny as a state.
June 12, 2018 would be the date of our primary election for 2018. They would expect less voters at a primary than a general election. They would have to time their petetiton process to hit that date correctly.
Are you kidding me right now? If you can't envision the objective difference in those two things in the context of being a female, there may be no use in trying to rephrase it; but here goes:
You could shop on Sunday. You simply would have fewer choices, because only a skeleton crew is open for emergency necessities like medicine or baby formula. And due to the widely promulgated civic education, a citizen of the RoM would understand that "blue laws" are a gift shared among citizens to provide most people in the community a day of deep rest and family time.
Wearing a burka, by contrast, is the compulsory dictate of a murder cult that imposes a choiceless shaming and chattel status on women at the point of a sword. The burka tells women that they are a source of evil and must not be seen. It's not even mentioned in the Quran. It is a depersonalizing cultural imposition by an ultra-repressive shari'a cult within Islam that is using the burka to reinforce male tyranny, superiority and license to beat, rape ad "honor kill" women and girls.
A secession leaves its host for a reason. The RoM group (of which I am not an associate or member in any way, but merely a commentator about it) envisions seceding in order to reconstruct a Christian society. Theoretically, they could only secede with a strong majority who accept the terms outlined above, and would view a Sunday shutdown as a positive value. Minority residents who do not want to observe the day as a Christian Sabbath could simply take it as a bonus restful day; those who absolutely could not withstand a Sunday shutdown could migrate to the USA when the two nations separate -- that's called partition, and it was done when muslim Pakistan was carved out of Hindu India in the 1940s -- millions moved from one area or the other according to religion.
“I”m not the one promoting this specific movement”
I know that (don’t know why post you are questioning). I was just responding to questions from someone in Maine who knows election law, etc.
FYI, we still have blue lawa in Maine. Car dealers cannot be open on Sunday. The state controls the distribution and price of liquor. There are others things I can not think of at the moment.
Sure you will. Your Section 3 says: "All individuals have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences, and no person shall be hurt, molested or restrained in that person's liberty or estate for worshiping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of that person's own conscience, nor for that person's religious professions or sentiments, provided that, that person does not disturb the public peace, nor obstruct others in their religious worship..." while your reply 18 says: "...Maine be a Christian nation but will not prohibit other religions, with the exception of Islam." How can you have it both ways?
This idea is even nuttier than the 'Free State Project' in neighboring Red Hampshire. I have lived in Maine, and there is no way in hell I would even THINK about moving there. If you want fellowship with Christians, you do NOT head north into a region known for despising Yehovah.
Hope you like seafood and potatoes, because that will be dinner pretty much every night.
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