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A libertarian utopia
Aeon Magazine ^ | 4-28-14 | Livia Gershon

Posted on 05/09/2014 6:19:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 6:19:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

I stopped reading after the first sentence where the writer think it’s 1955 out there.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 6:23:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If you want to know what a libertopians utopia looks like read “Brave New World”


3 posted on 05/09/2014 6:24:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Libertarians, “”give me full term abortion, gay marriage, crack and hookers, weak nation defense, and open borders today, and I will gladly pay you small government and a return to traditional America on Tuesday.””


4 posted on 05/09/2014 6:25:47 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Bump


5 posted on 05/09/2014 6:26:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
He’s also interested in discouraging vandals, not by calling the cops but by keeping an eye on them, maybe asking if their mothers would approve of what they’re doing.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 6:31:09 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ansel12; GeronL

You both posted your anti libertarian vitriol in less than 6 minutes.

Impressive. You must be practicing.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 6:31:51 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: RKBA Democrat; null and void; KC_Lion

I think if you wanted to build a “new nation” you would be almost better off making it a subterranean country that you basically dig out somewhere under the heartland.

Pros.
Constant Temps
Safe from most Natural disasters
Once you are sealed up the government would have a hard time getting at you.
Access to clean water via directly accessing aquifers.
Might be able to use some sort of geothermal power as a power source.
Access to plenty of minerals and hydrocarbons for manufacturing needs.

Cons.
Not earthquake safe
Need a power supply
No sunlight
You might run into Mole people...

Challenges.
Would need to find a way to grow food
Need to Recycle the air/human waste/ trash garbage/ etc..
Need artifical Lighting system and day/night protocol.

Tech that would be needed.
Thorium Salt reactors with closed Loop Cycles for energy production.
Air reconditioning tech possible hydrolysis tech to use underground water to generate air.
Underground infrastructure that could be expanded using mining technology.
3-D Printing to make parts and equipment.

i think you could make an “underground colony” a Whole lot easier than a Moon colony and make it self sufficient a LOT easier.

Plus it could be used to generate the tech needed FOR a moon base later on.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 6:33:04 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GeronL

I can dig it. Good test lab. They needed a state with a port city. Pointed to Alaska. Too many people in NH. Easier in Alaska but too cold in November.


9 posted on 05/09/2014 6:33:21 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I notice that you didn’t actually respond to my serious and insightful post.

Instead you made some sort of personal attack.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 6:34:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Not too long ago a FReeper even suggested that adult-child sex should not be a legal matter. I think it is impressive that the real libertopians will come right and say it nowadays


11 posted on 05/09/2014 6:35:56 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GraceG
Wow, Grace.

Those are actually some really great ideas!

Thank You for the Ping.

12 posted on 05/09/2014 6:38:13 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: ansel12
“The man who attempts to live for others is a dependent. He is a parasite in motive and makes parasites of those he serves. The relationship produces nothing but mutual corruption. It is impossible in concept. The nearest approach to it in reality -- the man who lives to serve others -- is the slave. If physical slavery is repulsive, how much more repulsive is the concept of servility of the spirit. The conquered slave has a vestige of honor. He has the merit of having resisted and of considering his condition evil. But the man who enslaves himself voluntarily in the name of love is the basest of creatures. He degrades the dignity of man, and he degrades the conception of love. But that is the essence of altruism”

~Ayn Rand

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

~Declaration of Indepndence

13 posted on 05/09/2014 6:42:53 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: GraceG; Norm Lenhart; TADSLOS
Just don't have Vault-Tec design it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault-Tec_Corporation

14 posted on 05/09/2014 6:43:49 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: ansel12

You’re funny. “Insightful and serious” are not terms I would associate with a post that was written before even reading the article in question. You’re just spouting vitriol again and playing the martyr when you’re called on it.

A+ for timeliness, C- for content. I think you can do better.


15 posted on 05/09/2014 6:47:16 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: KC_Lion

I still want the vault with 999 women and a panther....

And a bottle of Sex Panther Cologne. 64% of the time, it works EVERY TIME!


16 posted on 05/09/2014 6:50:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

‘Ayn Rand’s Objectivism contained a ‘fatal flaw’, says Shimek. She confused capitalism, a system that gives wealthy owners control over workers, with free markets, which depend on individual autonomy. ‘Capitalists are always in favour of keeping their piece of the pie through political power,’ Shimek told me. ‘When General Motors screws up, it has enough power to convince the government to bail it out.’

There’s plenty to criticize with Rand, but that misses the mark. This guy apparently hasn’t read her magnum opus, which is very much concerned with “capitalists” buying political influence. She captured that pretty well.

These people sound a lot like anarchists, whose utopian visions are just as absurd as those of the communists. The only difference is that their vision didn’t murder hundreds of millions of people last century. There are legitimate purposes and roles for government, few though they may be. The U.S. Constitution gives a very nice outline. Some country should try it.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 6:50:49 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: GeronL

Sounds to me like your beef is with the idiot who posted that..Did you do us all a favor and hit the “abuse” button and have the mods show him/her the door? Or did you sit there and do nothing? I doubt that the boss would look kindly on his website being used to defend pedophilia.


18 posted on 05/09/2014 6:54:40 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

You still will not respond to the actual serious insight in the post, yet again you make some sort of personal attack.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 6:55:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: GraceG
Mole people? I wouldn't worry too much about mole peoples.

It's the Lizard people that would be the real drawback, like now, but maybe even worse.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 6:55:35 PM PDT by BlueDragon (The world isn't Crazy. It's just the people in it...)
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