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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I don't think everybody has to be in the military to vote. Personally I don't want everybody to be eligible for military duty. It slows the rest of us down.

I think a critical component to voting should be paying taxes. That doesn't mean everybody has to be rich. We need a tax structure where everybody pays something. That "something" immediately makes all but the uber-warped liberals into somewhat of a fiscal conservative. The current freebie structure we have make a big voting block who vote to fill their pockets with money from those who pay taxes.

5 posted on 05/08/2014 7:38:58 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
The idea that you had to have a stake (pay taxes, own property, etc) to vote has been around a while, since the late 1700’s in our country but about 2500 years elsewhere.

It's gone in the US, and in the Western World for the foreseeable future. The why’s are complicated. There's a ton of legal and political history, and it's not all bad. The truth is, the so-called “givers” haven't always treated the so-called “takers” like humans (and the meaning of those concepts has changed radically troughout time), and it sort reinforces the idea that people can't be trusted to treat people like people. It's human nature. If only someone besides humans would take charge...

SciFi in the 1950-70’s was different. I like it better than today's, in general (George RR Martin... his Song of Ice and Fire/ Game of Thrones series is a masterpiece [and HBO does a great adaptation], I wish he'd finish it already.)

But, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc, are awesome. Written by a man who loved humanity and loved in country. By the way, same can be said for Slaughterhouse Five, Breakfast of Champions, and Cat Cradle, different people, different perspectives, but the same love of mankind in general and the American way in particular, but very different.

I'll finish “The Mote in God's Eye” tonight, which has some of that same militaristic honor vibe, and some cool human nature commentary. A great book.

Orson Scott Card wrote Ender’s Game for every kid who though they were smart but misunderstood. The other books in the Ender Quintet were Antrhobology 101 for Americans who though they could understand other people and other groups by applying their own views to explain the actions of others (another masterpiece, and I wish he'd write about whoever created that virus). Card has some beliefs that people who loved his work and his philosophy thought intolerant. they were surprised, and that shock made them mad. I think it's ironic given his message. As a SciFi writer, he's brilliant.

Also, read Patrick O’Brian. Not Sci Fi, at all, but a similar old school philosophy that won't be popular now, but was an awesome series.

But, in the end, I think this is simple. Until the late 1960’s, then changing through about 1980, our society started to reject the pre-196(4/5-ish) American culture, in favor of some Post-modern, more equitable beliefs, and that change included the arts, movies, literature, TV, etc. That wasn't all bad. There were major inequities and cultural failings in our country and Western culture that were ignored. The problem was that we started ignoring the good stuff that was there, and too many of today's people forget the good.

It's a shame. It's also probably a luxury of being rich and safe, or fat dumb and happy for too long.

15 posted on 05/08/2014 8:14:13 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: USNBandit

Michael Savage proposed a system where anyone collecting federal benefits, from a federal civilian employee to someone collecting TANF or Section 8 housing vouchers or SNAP food benefits or Medicaid is ineligible to vote. If you live even partially at the benefit of the treasury, you don’t get to vote on how the money is apportioned.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 8:18:15 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: USNBandit

critical component to voting should be paying taxes

I agree, this is why I favor a consumption tax, with no exemptions. When everyone has a stake in the game the game will change.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 8:31:55 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: USNBandit

In the book everybody could serve in some form or another. They would find a job you were capable of doing. For example, even a paraplegic could be used to test new medicine.


37 posted on 05/08/2014 8:55:06 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: USNBandit

You’ve nailed it. We used to keep ne’er-do-wells from having influence over public decision making by requiring one be a landowner to exercise the franchise. Today, ability to fog a mirror and (perhaps) be a citizen is all that is required, and it doesn’t look like that is going to end well. What you propose is the rational solution.

I don’t have much hope we will move to it without a lot of pain.


52 posted on 05/09/2014 4:43:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: USNBandit

I would rather see al provision that you cannot vote as long as you take money from the Government (except salary, SS & retirement)


78 posted on 05/09/2014 11:03:48 AM PDT by catman67
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