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To: A_perfect_lady
The original meaning of taphaz is “manipulate”. It is not the same word as khazaq, which indicates use of physical strength and violence.

I am also not “throwing these words out”; these are the words that appear in the Hebrew version of the scriptures in question.
307 posted on 05/05/2014 6:51:08 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Taken from your link: a primitive root; to manipulate, i.e. seize; chiefly to capture, wield, specifically, to overlay; figuratively, to use unwarrantably:--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.

I don't know how to break this to you, but that is rape.

You have proven my point. A man can CAPTURE, WEILD, OVERLAY, CATCH, SUPRISE, TAKE a virgin, and all he has to do is pay a bride price to her father (whose property she currently is) and marry her, unless she belongs to some other man.

There is no stigma to rape. You sully another man's property, you die. If that property went with you willingly, she dies too. If not, they cut her a break. That's as far as it goes.

That's Deuteronomy, and that's Islam. Face it.

311 posted on 05/05/2014 6:56:42 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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