Posted on 03/05/2014 6:55:49 PM PST by beebuster2000
Good plot lines on this thread
May I ask has any actor had a year like mm?
Mud
Wolf of Wall Street
Dallas buyers club
True detectives
I’m very entertained by your analysis and speculations.
It seems to me, as I said earlier, that there won’t be enough time in the final episode to pull all the loose ends together.
I happened to re-watch the most recent episode last night and a few things jumped out at me.
1. Why Cohle said he came back. “Something he needed to do, before moving on to something else”.
2. While Cohle and Hart were talking to the former “domestic” of Tuttle. She talked about “Carcosa” and “Unseen Voices”.
3. After the interview with her, Cohle says “I Hope is a wrong”, Hart “Wrong about what?”, Cohle “Death not being the end”.
It seems to me that this is a departure from Cohle’s strongly held philosophical position. Instead of saying “She is wrong” he said that he HOPES she is wrong. There is no room for HOPE in his worldview.
maybe it's another, but think I you mean this quote--"My life's been a circle of violence and degradation, as long as I can remember. I'm ready to tie it off.”
Which many have speculated means he's going to off himself or die some other way. But in episode 1 he said he didn't have "the constitution to commit suicide." So if it is his death I think its more of a foreshadowing, a sense that its coming. Of course it may just mean he's ready to change his ways. But that seems less likely.
I know you're hoping for it. and it is possible that it could also be a sense of impending transformation too. ala mel gibson's character in signs where he refinds his faith, where in this case cohle drops his nihilistic outlook.
I think death is the most likely. But he may undergo a transformation first.
Another possibility, but remote is that he will be framed for the murders even though he didn't commit them. After all the foundation for that exists already with the two black detectives thinking he did it.
2. While Cohle and Hart were talking to the former “domestic” of Tuttle. She talked about “Carcosa” and “Unseen Voices”.
that’s the only time I heard of unseen voices
Carcosa is mentioned a few times. By the “domestic” as you say. by reggie ledoux to cohle “you’re in carcosa now” it appears in first victim dora lange’s diary and is part of the title of the last episode “This is Carcosa. Take off your mask.”
carcosa is also from the play the king in yellow by robert chambers and is part of cassilda’s song from act 1 scene 2-
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
That was the first part of his quote. The next thing he said was "“Something he needed to do, before moving on to something else”.
Moving on to something else ?
If death is the end, there is nothing else.
Cohle's "hope" that death is the end, exposes his uncertainty. Not something you would expect him to say, given his nihilistic view. The operative word being "Hope".
I think I'll re-watch the episode that has him being interviewed and has him cutting up the beer cans and discussing his views on religion.
On the time line the interview occurred after he returned and shortly afterwards he reached out to Marty.
The one thing that has been consistent throughout the series, is virtually everybody's belief in Cohle's integrity. He is brutally honest. It's only been the current investigators belief that Cohle never left and has been up to something.
From my perspective, the series is ALL ABOUT COHLE and more importantly, what Cohle believes. The murders/abuse/drugs/violence/degradation/conspiracy etc, are all contributing factors that have formed his belief system. A system of belief that has it's roots in the death of his child. I'm not suggesting that Cohle will be going on the road with the Preacher, but if he is forced to accept "Satan" as a real force, then he must also accept God.
IMHO, this is what the final episode will be about.
The song that we were left with at the end of the last episode.
This struck home with me.
Townes Van Zandt - Lungs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rdm8LItAHs
Well, won’t you lend your lungs to me?
Mine are collapsin’
Plant my feet and bitterly breathe
Up the time that’s passin’
Breath I’ll take and breath I’ll give
And pray the day is not poisoned
Stand among the ones that live
In lonely indecision
Well, fingers walk the darkness down
Mind is on the midnight
Gather up the gold you’ve found
You fool it’s only moonlight
If you try to take it home
Your hands will turn to butter
You better leave this dream alone
Try to find another
Salvation sat and crossed herself
Called the devil partner
Wisdom burned upon a shelf
Who’ll kill the raging cancer
Seal the river at its mouth
Take the water prisoner
Fill the sky with screams and cries
Bathe in fiery answers
Well, Jesus was an only son
And love his only concept
The strangers cry in foreign tongues
And dirty up the doorstep
And I for one, and you for two
Ain’t got the time for outside
Keep your injured looks to you
We’ll tell the world that we tried
I could be wrong, but I think some dialog means things and some doesn't. Like cohle's philosophy--most of it sounds like nihilism, but some of its gibberish, at least that's what I perceive it as. (like calling dora lange's killer a meta-psychotic )
Some things like the one you mentioned seem like lyrics from a pop song-they sound cool but probably don't mean much. and in this case is contradictory to his character- along the lines of cohle's "the world needs bad men to keep the other bad men from the door." because in a world where everything is meaningless who cares if bad men get in the door? Indeed that's the problem with nihilism-- if nothing has any meaning than what does it matter if a fireman rescues kids from a burning building or somebody murders ten people?
They took the edginess of “The Killing” and “The Bridge” and were able to take it a step forward from broadcast cable programming to adult HBO cable programming. It’s been a great series!
The entire series is about Cohle’s philosophy.
From the very beginning and until now.
The last thing Cohle says in episode 1, is “You need to start asking the right questions”.
Cohle is a complex character. This show is about how he has come to believe so convincingly in nihilism and yes, the gibberish that it contains, but his belief none the less.
A belief that he is forced to address and question, all be it reluctantly, but given his integrity he has no choice but to be a “True Detective”.
two days to go !!!
The entire series is about Cohle’s philosophy. Cohle is a complex character. This show is about how he has come to believe so convincingly in nihilism and yes, the gibberish that it contains, but his belief none the less. A belief that he is forced to address and question, all be it reluctantly, but given his integrity he has no choice but to be a “True Detective”.
Great post, especially the last line. maybe cohle has a need, a desire, to believe that we aren't just all meat puppets with no purpose, but isn't able to do that with all the misery that's occurred in his life. And that somehow this need will be fulfilled in the end. I think its a good possibility. A couple hours and we'll find out.
I’ve got some predictions for the end. And while I’m sure most of them won’t pan out I want to put them out there just to see if I was right.
Here goes—
Audrey hart will be discovered to have witnessed an occult sexual sacrifice ritual
The 4 horseman and the yellow king will be revealed—most likely prospects include- Sam Tuttle, billy ray tuttle, Governor/sentor tuttle, Sheriff Ted Childress- other possibles Hart’s father in law, cop childress from the jail suicide, the uniformed cop speece, commander Leroy. Also Recruiters dewall ledoux, reggie ledux and burnfaced lawnmower man errol childress.
We’ll fnd out why two bodies were displayed while others were hidden. Someone wants people to see what he’s doing— best guess lawnmower man errol childress.
Cohle will die at the end, but will have an epiphany finding out he really does have a purpose in life.
Cohle will be tortured and or killed by lawnmower man on the matressless bed in a creepy house.
The sacrificial altar along with numerous bodies will be discovered in the creepy house.
The creepy house at the end will be on an island or along the creole nature trail road.
A boat will somehow be involved (maybe having a name like corcosa) maybe as a means of getting to the island
—some smaller things—
Cohle may have his hallucinations return.
the first witness friend of dora lang had black stars on her neck—might reappear.
Marie fontenot’s uncle—we may find out what really caused his severe disability (witnessed niece being killed?) will appear again
that’s all I can think of for now. I might throw some more in a post if I think of any.
okay it was great show episode 1 through 7 (granted 7 lost a little steam) but the finale—
All I can say is—
ARRRGGGGH WTF?
yeah, it was odd. all the buildup, then its the lawnmower guy living in some dump in the swamp. and what was that cosmic swirling thing that cole saw? that came out of nowhere?
maybe those who said it was really satan vs good were right.
i didn’t get the ending really. it was either totally pedestrian or some incomprehensible cosmic thing
I think they left it ambiguous on purpose. Depending on what aspect of the show you liked, you can see it either way.
A) The swirling thing was just another one of Cohle’s delusions, brought on by a stressful situation. Lawnmower man was just a run of the mill serial killer, from a sick family who indulged in some voodoo rituals, but all of that was just trappings for their real, all too mundane perversion.
B) What Cohle saw was real, a portal to another place that was summoned up by Childress, using his mystic powers as the Yellow King. This was the thing that was depicted in the spiral sign the cult members wore, and Childress led Cohle to that room so he could distract him with the portal and get the drop on him. Or, perhaps he was hoping Cohle would become his new acolyte, once he saw Carcosa was real.
There’s really not much to favor one interpretation over the other, just whichever you think is a better story.
(B) is the better story IMHO
I took it as B. That would make more sense, especially with Errol calling Rust “little priest”, and Reggie’s comments to Rust when he was hancuffed - about “he’s seen you” or something to that effect. Errol and Rust had met earlier, and if Errol was indeed tapped into the dark world, he saw the darkness in Rust.
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