Posted on 03/05/2014 6:55:49 PM PST by beebuster2000
so, this weekend is the last episode of True Crime with mathew MccGonaughey and woody harrelson.
been watching it and its good IMHO.
but how does it end? who is the "yellow king" rusty? some government guy? the guy on the lawnmower?
who wants to take a shot?
Even without the Actress interview, I think you are correct.
This would also suggest that Maggie intentionally tried to break-up the Cohle/Hart partnership and push him to ultimately quit the force. Cohle was getting too close.
If you recall, Maggie set Cohle up with a GF between 95 and 02, A doctor . So Cohle could be distracted and maybe get “the good drugs”.? I don’t recall why that relationship failed.
Yeah, and Maggie was always sneaking around “picking his brain” even though Marty warned her not to. I think it’s obvious Cohle was in love with her all that time, but wouldn’t let himself do anything about it. She had him wrapped around her finger.
Another strange thing I noticed about Maggie is what she says to Cohle after she sleeps with him. The thing about “Now, he’ll have to leave, he won’t live with this.” That implies the question: “well, what has Marty been living with?”, and is she talking about Marty leaving the marriage, or something else, like the investigation, or the partnership?
I don’t think that is just about Marty’s infidelity. Maggie had no problem leaving Marty without a word the first time that came up. Not this time though. She had some other purpose in mind, besides simply breaking up the marriage, or she would have just packed up the kids and left like she did before.
Now Marty is an interesting character. He’s a “good ole boy”, and to think that he had absolutely no knowledge of what Maggie’s father or the Tuttle family may have been doing seems a bit of a stretch. I’m trying to recall the conversation between Marty and Maggie’s father.
Maybe he has no clue, maybe he had suspicions or he developed a conscience. It seems that throughout Marty has been reluctantly pulled into the case by Cohle. Like he knows there is something there, but doesn’t want to have to deal with it. Out of sight, out of mind.
“I’m trying to recall the conversation between Marty and Maggie’s father.”
It was interesting. Maggie’s father was bemoaning the state of today’s youth, saying it was difference in his day, but now, they’re all dressing in black with dark make-up (like Audrey would eventually dress), and he said “it’s all about sex”.
Marty responded that he bet, throughout history, every old man talked like that. But, he said, old men die, and the world keeps spinning.
I’m warming to the maggie’s father thing. Although IMDB says his last name is herbert. Doesn’t necessarily rule him out tho.
Undoubtedly it would be fitting to make audrey a victim or a witness. Especially since Marty seems to have a huge soft spot for abused and or sexualized underage kids. What could be more dramatic than him finding out his daughter was abused or a witness to abuse?
further—found this on the web
“a seemingly arbitrary detail in a photograph, along with a homeowner’s old tax records, provides the pair with a vital new lead in their 17-year-old case. The two men pursue the lead to an apocalyptic confrontation.”
Don’t know what to make of that. Maybe you have some ideas?
also an analysis of the week 8 preview
Who is the woman? Ladeoux’s mother maybe?
Don’t know. You make a better true detective detective than I, maybe you have some more theories.
I agree ladeoux, lawnmower man, and the cook were most likely the three unmasked minions. As to the rest yep probably tuttle and family. But who is the king? Someone new? Maggies dad? the sheriff? Someone we haven’t met?
BTW remember the pharmacy killer’s suicide? Maybe there was more to it than just the tape. One of the cops had the name childress. Another minion perhaps?
I’ve enjoyed your insights. Good stuff.
“Like he knows there is something there, but doesn’t want to have to deal with it. Out of sight, out of mind.”
I don’t think he feally “knows” anything like that, but he maybe should know... and just doesn’t want to suspect it. He’s awfully good at lying to himself, like with the whole “I’m having affairs for the good of my family” twisted logic he spouts.
In considering if Marty knew something.
I would suspect that when Maggie left the first time and he was on the phone with, I assume Maggie’s father, Marty would have implied something to the extent “You’re not one to talk”.
yeah for while I thought it might be marty. Seeing he spouts responsibility stuff while cheating on his wife. And perhaps his being appalled at the youngness of the trailer park prostitute and the child abuse was a similar contradictory reaction??
And his killing of ladeoux the moment he sees him (before he could tell on marty?) It was kind of a ruby-oswald conspiracy-esque moment.
*BUT* then why would he want (by all appearances in a sincere manner) to help cohle reopen something he was part of? That seems like too much of a stretch.
A good article about maggie and her father etc.
http://gothamist.com/2014/03/05/maggie_true_detective.php
Okay I’ve killed enough bandwidth. Time to chill out for a while. :)
“Although IMDB says his last name is herbert. Doesn’t necessarily rule him out tho.”
No, it doesn’t, since Granpa Tuttle had so many illegitimate kids, anyone could be connected.
“Don’t know what to make of that. Maybe you have some ideas?”
The only thing I can think is that someone noticed that “the Marshland Medea”, who was killing her kids, was in an old yearbook photo from one of Tuttle’s schools. It could be something like that.
“Who is the woman? Ladeoux’s mother maybe?”
I don’t think we’ve met her yet. Some have speculated that she looks and sounds like Maggie’s mother, but I don’t think it is the same actress.
“But who is the king? Someone new? Maggies dad? the sheriff? Someone we haven’t met?”
I think we have met him, or the reveal won’t be as dramatic when he takes his mask off, eh?
Some people have gotten off track with the supernatural references, because “the King in Yellow” is a supernatural force in a lot of old Lovecraftian horror stories. I think it’s going to be a real person, the way the show has been going, I just am not sure who. Maggie’s dad is my best bet, because the drawing in Dora Lang’s notebook of the Yellow King looks like a fishing lure in Marty’s house, and Maggie’s dad seems to be the one who is really the fishing “expert”, so he may make those lures. Tenuous, but it’s the best lead I have seen so far.
“BTW remember the pharmacy killer’s suicide? Maybe there was more to it than just the tape. One of the cops had the name childress. Another minion perhaps?”
Anybody named Childress or Tuttle could be involved, I think that’s one of the few things we can deduce for certain. The real question is, who knew Cohle was interviewing that guy, and who knew what the guy told Cohle in the interview room? The local cops, yes, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense for them to call in Cohle to get a confession, if they were part of the same cult that the pharmacy robber was.
Cohle would have been the last person they would want talking to that guy, unless they were feeding him bad info and leading him down a blind alley. It could be a superior of theirs that they reported to is the one who stepped in to clean up the mess. Whatever happened to Captain Leroy, with his creepy stuffed animals? Or Major Quesada? Or the police commander, who seemed very close with Rev. Tuttle? Time has passed, so if they are still on the job, they would be even higher-ranked now, with more power and influence.
I don’t think it can be Marty. The guy threw up after he had to beat up a couple teenagers, so he doesn’t seem to have the constitution for these killings. I think the writers wanted us to suspect Marty, just like they wanted us to suspect Cohle for a time. I don’t think either of them will end up being actually involved though. That would just be too cliched of an ending.
Who is the Yellow King ?
Who/What is Carcosa ?
Spaghetti Monster ?
Time is a flat circle ?
Death is not the end ?
The series spends a boat load of time developing Cohle’s philosophy.
I am starting to believe that the perps are pawns for a supernatural entity. The Devil etc..
Something discovered/disclosed by the Preacher. The ancient book on mysticism etc.
The “Devil Catchers” are placed by the perps to protect themselves while offering their “sacrifice”.
My current theory: These “religious” folks discovered and followed the text contained in this book. They found themselves trapped by the Devil and had to continue in order to stay alive.
Under this theory, Cohle’s philosophical position would be crushed as he would “recognize” and have no choice but accept the existence of Satan/Devil.
My theory rests on the series efforts to consistently explore Cohle’s philosophical position.
you’ve convinced me— most likely maggie’s dad.
BTW his most damning action of all— negatively mentioning bill clinton :) — to liberals that would make him evil. And unfortunately it’s usually liberals who write these shows.
Oh well, what can you do. If you turn off every show that libs are involved in you couldn’t watch anything.
“Who is the Yellow King ?
Who/What is Carcosa ?”
Those two are things that were plucked from the works of other authors, like Ambrose Bierce and HP Lovecraft. In those supernatural horror stories, “The King in Yellow” was the name of a play that, if you read through to the second act, would drive any man insane. It was also one of the names for a supernatural entity, one of the “elder gods” that were malevolent, alien forces, called Hastur, who lived by the shores of a lake on a planet orbiting the “dim star Carcosa”. In some of these stories there is a “Yellow Sign”, not fully described, which may be what the spiral sign is supposed to be. Supposedly, anyone who posseses the “Yellow Sign” can be possessed by the King in Yellow.
That’s what these names represent in the stories, but there is no guarantee that any of that will actually be what these names represent in the show, so take it with a grain of salt.
“Spaghetti Monster ?”
He is Errol Childress, aka the Lawnmower Man.
“Something discovered/disclosed by the Preacher. The ancient book on mysticism etc.”
Interestingly, this appears to not be a real world book, but an invented volume and author. Supernatural horror writers like the ones I discussed above often create such works in their stories, as repositories of some “forbidden knowledge”. The most famous of these imaginary books was H.P. Lovecraft’s Necronomicon, which, just like the imaginary play “the King in Yellow”, would drive a man insane if he read it.
I just found another clue. Remember Marie Fontenot’s father, the baseball player who had a series of strokes and was disabled? He will be back in episode 8, for some reason.
I was looking at imdb, and he is listed as appearing in 2 episodes, but so far has only been in one. So, he must show up again in the last episode. I may start checking the other characters to see if I can find any other unusual characters coming back.
I stand by my theory.
In the end, I think the audience through Cohle, will be left with a very powerful question “Does Satan exist”?
A transformation Sounds plausible. The hollywood types usually don't like religion BUT sometimes they still put it in their movies/shows because the idea that-everything is pointless and we are just random creatures without purpose isn't as interesting as the opposite POV (even for a gritty dark crime drama.) Don't know the method, but transforming cohle's character would certainly be interesting.
I think he will die towards the end. Perhaps he will forced to change his philosophy first.
Wouldn’t it be something if in the end, Cohle reunites with the Preacher?
Rust Cohle, a man that has seen more evil and more human debauchery than most. A man that was convinced that we are mistakes of an evolutionary process that left us with the “Illusion of Free Will”. Forced by his experience and his nature to come to terms with the reality of the Devil.
This, IMHO, is what this show will come down to.
From Cohle’s perspective, you can’t have a God or Satan.
He’s supposedly that last person you would expect to accept God.
I think his journey begins at the conclusion of the series with his acceptance of Satan.
the king in yellow is also a pretty good detective type story from raymond chandler, guy who wrote the big sleep, farewell my lovely and a bunch of other masterpieces.
http://www.ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/chandler__the_king_in_yellow__en.htm
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