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To: OneWingedShark

The first clause protects against “unreasonable” searches.

Any search for which permission has been granted is by definition reasonable, as is any search for which there is a valid warrant. The courts have defined other sets of circumstances under which a search is “reasonable,” despite there being neither permission nor a warrant. For instance, a customs officer’s powers of search are quite broad compared to officers at point distant from the border.

A warrant obtained under false pretenses, as for instance by means of perjured testimony, might be overturned, which then normally invalidates any evidence found during the search.


116 posted on 02/26/2014 7:42:21 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Any search for which permission has been granted is by definition reasonable,

Not true — even if the enema/colonoscopy guy [NM incident] had said "ok" (to a search) the multiple medical procedures were not reasonable and were actually dangerous.

The courts have defined other sets of circumstances under which a search is “reasonable,” despite there being neither permission nor a warrant.

The courts cannot be relied upon to define "reasonable" (just like they cannot be relied upon to define infringed) &mdsah; his is why jury-trials are guaranteed by the constitution.

For instance, a customs officer’s powers of search are quite broad compared to officers at point distant from the border.

A customs officer has no legitimate authority outside of a port of entry, no?

119 posted on 02/26/2014 7:54:11 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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