The moment that tanks and jet fighters attack US civilians, it'll be broadcast across the planet in realtime, and at that instant the United States isn't the United States anymore. It'll be the end of full faith and credit and respect in anything and everything related to the United States of America by both our allies and enemies. It'll set chaos in motion to the point that the government will have it's hands so full of problems that they'll almost immediately seek to undo what they unraveled in the first place.
To start: the Oligarchs who declare what the US dollar is worth just because they say what the US dollar is worth won't be able to control that anymore. Not when everywhere in America looks like Waco.
Besides, there won't be a shooting campaign if 'Civil War II' were ever to happen here. It'd be a constant bombing campaign like the Baader-Meinhof/Rote Armee Faktion gang of 1970s Europe magnified times 100,000 and far more effective. Every town in America will have it's own seething IRA gang. Every government entity down to the very last US Postal Service mailbox would be regarded as an enemy target.
Sooner rather than later, the homes of the families and friends of law enforcement and soldiers would be identified. Hit lists would spring up on Twitter and Google Maps. Soldiers would have a choice between bivouacing indefinitely near power stations and bridges and airports to prop up the rotten government who's simultaneously ordering the mass murder of US citizens or going home to their own families. The Highway Patrol wouldn't dare venture out onto highways. The kids in the National Guard would say "I didn't sign up for this crap."
Almost immediately, the world would see how weak and ineffective the domestic power of the US government is. All they'd be holding is a bunch of useless laws written on worthless paper in their hands next to ever-increasingly worthless piles of paper treasury notes. By comparison, Mexico would look like a stable country. Canada might become an instant super power overnight.
This nation -- particularly the urban metro liberals -- couldn't endure thirty days without power and water and groceries and Venti lattes and CVS Pharmacy and Costco and Whole Foods and cigarettes and liquor and Netflix and having to go to a natural running stream to refill their bong water.
... and from the depths of Hell, Osama bin Laden will be laughing proudly of his achievement that he set in motion to shatter the United States into fifty powerless fractured Balkanized fiefdoms, just as he prophesied.
Anyone and everyone who hopes for some idiotic 'Civil War II' -- Progressives versus hated Conservatives and vice-versa -- needs to take a BIG step back and rid their minds of the poisonous notion of raising weapons against their fellow countrymen. Absolutely everyone from top to bottom will be immediately sorry it happened the moment it began.
I will have nothing to do with it.
Here, have some TEA, We throw it overboard.
Agreed ... Join us ... Countrymen and Country Women ... Your Right Depend on you!
“I will have nothing to do with it.”
While most of your post gives me hope because it sounds like a pretty reasonable scenario...
I still have to ask. Based on your statement above, what are YOU gonna do when they come for your guns (if any)?
The only voice that will be explaining anything will be the government's.
“The moment that tanks and jet fighters attack US civilians, it’ll be broadcast across the planet in realtime”
That is, unless the FCC doesn’t think that news fits the public’s “critical information needs”
I agree and disagree. War is a terrible thing, and the far left will be shocked at how terrible it is for everyone, including themselves and their families, if they provoke CWII (we won't be happy either). However, war is the right choice when all other options are even worse. The trick for America's enemies is to move slowly enough that decent people always assume immediate war would be worse than giving up just a little more freedom in return for peace in our time. So far, America's domestic enemies are doing a pretty good job.
Really?
Hit lists would spring up on Twitter and Google Maps.
Would that be a good thing?
Or would it provide the enemy with more intel?
Anyone and everyone who hopes for some idiotic 'Civil War II' -- Progressives versus hated Conservatives and vice-versa -- needs to take a BIG step back and rid their minds of the poisonous notion of raising weapons against their fellow countrymen. Absolutely everyone from top to bottom will be immediately sorry it happened the moment it began.
There's a difference between hope and need — the founders were patriotic Englishmen who stood up against their government when classically-recognized rights were denied. The Declaration spells out that the colonies did pursue peaceful resolutions, and that they suffered many abuses from their government which were rejected, rebuffed, and sometimes retaliated against.
Patrick Henry
St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775.
MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
It appears that the administration in DC is who is hoping for a second civil war, what with the moves it is making to provoke one.
Credited to Leon Trotsky: "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you".
I think also there will be a panic in the rest of the world, maybe if that CWII scenario would pass, it could cause a chain reaction and destablize other nations to the point of them having their civil wars too. Some nations who remain stable or reasonably so, will have a great fear, who controls our nukes? The Russians, Red Chinese, maybe even the Indians, the UK and French and a few others would want to try to seize our nukes somehow and failing that, ala the John Titor story, might launch a limited strike to take them out or what’s left of the nation’s leadership to hopefully stop any orders to launch them. I know if I was Putin, the Red Chinese leader or even part of NATO, that alone would be a concern of mine. Mexico and Canada would have a hard time controlling the borders stopping Americans from fleeing, are the Mexican/Canadian border patrols along with their armies, strong enough?