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To: mvymvy
mvymvy said: "The sheer magnitude of the national popular vote number, compared to individual state vote totals, is much more robust against manipulation."

I don't agree. Right now the Demoncrats are required to steal votes in the states where the results are close and where some of those states will be controlled by Republicans.

If we use popular vote, your head will spin when you see how many votes the Democrats will steal in states which they control.

Not too long ago there were more votes cast in King County, Washington than there were registered voters. You can expect that to happen in every Democrat stronghold in the nation. Trying to compete with that would be impossible.

There would be thugs with billy clubs outside every polling place in Democrat states. We would descend into electoral chaos quickly; which might not be a bad thing.

49 posted on 02/13/2014 10:47:21 AM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

The fact remains, we have seen how a presidential election, under the current system, could be determined by 537 votes in just one state, controlled by Republicans or Democrats.

It’s much easier to commit and conceal fraud affecting as little as 537 votes that could be needed to change the outcome in a single, critical state than it would be to manufacture the hundreds of thousands or millions of votes needed to change the result of a national election.

In a scenario of obvious fraud, the federal courts would step in to keep a single corrupt city from changing the outcome of the election.

The current system may reduce the effects of fraud in safe states, but correspondingly it magnifies the effects of fraud in swing states. It’s very unlikely that corrupt elections officials in Cleveland will be able to swing enough votes to change the national popular vote, but they very well might swing enough votes to change the result in Ohio. The result is that it’s more likely fraud will decide the election under the current system.

Foreseeing apocalyptic mythical fraud as a reason for keeping a system where most people’s votes don’t count for anything is not a compelling argument.


53 posted on 02/13/2014 11:39:13 AM PST by mvymvy
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