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Windows XP home users should upgrade to Linux -- not Windows 8.1
Beta News ^ | 30 January 2014 | Brian Fagioli

Posted on 02/01/2014 1:57:57 PM PST by ShadowAce

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To: Greysard
Your mention of zonealarm brings to mind something that I think about on Linux every once in a while. Back when I used to use ms-windows periodically, I really liked the way zonealarm worked. Yes, it was chatty when you first started using it, but eventually it learned what you needed to allow access and what you did not.

I'd really love to see a similar application under Linux. Yes, you can do iptables, but I'd really like to have a program that could watch all network ports, and prompt you for an allow/deny when it notices something trying to phone home or contact google or something. I've not seen one, and I look around for something that will do that little thing about once a year.

101 posted on 02/01/2014 7:59:28 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Organic Panic
I have a shop filled with CNC machinery, inspection equipment, and other hardware not supported on the new OS. XP has been rock solid for nearly 10 years running all that equipment. Now, if someone would like to give me about $400,000 for some new machinery send me a PM so I can give you my address...

As long as the machines are networked to the outside world, you should be OK. However, when the computers die that control said equipment, you may be in trouble, as you may have issues getting XP to run on upcoming generations of hardware.

One thing that you might want to take the time to look at now is to see if you can run any of the software through virtual machines. If you can get that to work, you may actually be in better shape than you are now. A VM that runs under something like VMWare is really just a few large files on your disk. If you copy those files to another computer then fire up the VM, the operating system that runs in that VM will have no way to know that it is running on different hardware.

So, let's say that you've successfully installed your OS and software in a VM. Now, let's say you have an issue, and somehow the OS gets corrupted, which is not an altogether uncommon thing with windows. Instead of having to reinstall the OS and your software, you just copy the VM files from a backup, and you're good to go. 20 minute restores are bloody awesome in circumstances like that.  If your CNC machines use Dongles you may well be SOL though.

If you can virtualize your control systems, you'll be much better off than you are today with hardware tied directly to a specific computer. 

 

102 posted on 02/01/2014 8:17:20 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: ShadowAce; Ernest_at_the_Beach; martin_fierro; blam

Thanks ShadowAce. Same goes for Windows users in general.


103 posted on 02/01/2014 8:42:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: rlmorel

how much testing did IT do before letting your dept use win7???


104 posted on 02/01/2014 8:47:46 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Greysard
I agree. I turned off my invasive windows upgrades a long time ago. Often they just slowed my operating system down. Who needs a virus when you have Microsoft et al loading crap into your system?

I used to upgrade to the latest and greatest at every offering, frequently having to upgrade my hardware and other software in the process. This goes back to DOS! Everything works good together now so no, I have no intention of changing anything.

The hackers won't be targeting XP any more than they are trying to break into TRS 80s. I have used Vista, 7 and 8 at work and none are as fast or stable as my old dinosaur. Thanks but no thanks.

105 posted on 02/01/2014 8:50:20 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: ShadowAce
I'm having a lot of fun with an android tablet called a nook hd+ 9 and the software it uses.
Quick, looks and works great.
Applications till the crows comes home and it starts and stops for me in two seconds.

I got a Blue-tooth keyboard and case for a few dollars and I can do most anything with the darn thing for well under $200.
My entertainment tablet.
Can do dos with it in a dos box.
Has office products that can work with MS office and you could just use Google.

I'm going to pick another one up next month I think and those two will be my treat for the year.

106 posted on 02/01/2014 9:00:00 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton
The laptop has an AMD Sempron 2800 CPU, 80 gig HD and 1 gig of RAM.

Sheesh! I have files bigger than 80gb. This reminds me of back in '89 when I bought a 20mb hard drive. I knew I would never be able to fill that monster up. :) It was on a screaming 286 processor! Now I'm just trying to hang another 3tb drive on my XP. If I can do that I'll be happy.

107 posted on 02/01/2014 9:01:45 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: markman46

We are a branch of IT but specialized and under different management (although we adhere rigorously to their rules and guidelines and consult with them on everything) so I don’t know how much they did on their side or the tools they needed to develop for support.

A lot of times we are driven by clinical necessity to implement certain things, and it is up to us to convince IT that they should partner with us, And there are times when we have to ask them to bend or break the rules that they have in place for hardware, security, networking, databases, etc.

It is a very collaborative process. We think the world of them, because they produce good environments.

They respect us because we play by their rules and they trust us, and when they need us as resources, we treat their requests as if they were handed to us by our superiors.

If they determine our request to bend or break their rules is legitimate, they will work with us hand in hand to manage the exception to mitigate the risk and put safety nets in place.

In turn, when they decline to deviate from their guidelines, we accept it. We explain it to the people above us, and we help them understand why we could not get buy-in. To their credit, our superiors trust us and take us at our word, and very rarely resort to political pathways over collaborative technical pathways.

All in all, it is a good arrangement.


108 posted on 02/01/2014 9:06:12 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel
I cannot believe how poorly it performs. Especially Word and Excel when opening documents

It takes longer to open the back doors to your documents.

109 posted on 02/01/2014 9:08:49 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

I will say that in some medical applications I use, the performance of that application under Windows 7 is so far superior to XP that we had genuine concerns about the “word getting out” to those who had to continue to work under Windows XP.

There was that much difference. Granted, much of it was due to the applications being memory bound, but...that is still part of the overall improvement, not just a happenstance.


110 posted on 02/01/2014 9:10:40 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Colorado Doug
Files bigger than 80gb?

Wow, I can see picture files or videos taking a ton of room, but you have an 80GB program or is that work product of some kind?

I went so far back that I used to do cost accounting reports of hundreds of pages using a Durango D-Basic machine and two floppys.

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=939

I think I had a 512k disk for the program and another 512k disk for a year of reports. LOL

111 posted on 02/01/2014 9:12:04 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Colorado Doug

Sure...as with all engineering, a tradeoff. They seem to run fine once open.

To me, the UI changes are far worse. They don’t make any sense to me.


112 posted on 02/01/2014 9:12:26 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: ShadowAce
If Install Linux on a duel boot system with windows 7 64bit or XP 32bit can I drop and drag from the windows hard drive? Can it convert windows files with Lynux programs for example word docs, excell?
I build my own PCs but I'm only dangerous with software.
Also, can I then share with computers still using windows?

I would like to just add a hard drive and try it out as a duel boot computer.

113 posted on 02/01/2014 9:29:15 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: A CA Guy
Wow, I can see picture files or videos taking a ton of room, but you have an 80GB program or is that work product of some kind?

Some numbers about videos:

When that time comes, Pixar's render farm will have to go through another massive growth spurt. And so will its storage space, which Whitehill estimates already exceeds five petabytes, or 5.4 million gigs.

Science experiments, like LHC, are producing gigabytes of data per second. Astronomy can also give you more data than you can handle.

The most likely demand for space at home comes from backups. This includes backups of your computer storage, and backups of your DVDs (in case they get scratched.) It is very appealing to have an endless history of your filesystem that goes back for years. You can then access any file that you used to have on the box, even if you deleted it a year ago and only now (at tax time) realized what have happened.

114 posted on 02/01/2014 9:49:00 PM PST by Greysard
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To: ShadowAce; Gene Eric; ThunderSleeps

Thanks!

Eclipse runs on Windows as well as Linux; that’s a good thing for me.

Not sure what the GNU/netbeans thing is.


115 posted on 02/01/2014 9:50:28 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Greysard

Well just from travel we have almost 3 Ts filled on a external HD, but yeah that makes sense.

Movies, scientific experiments and of course all the Target store customer files as well...


116 posted on 02/01/2014 10:07:14 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: rlmorel

Well well well . . I just picked up a new laptop to replace my computer, which I can hand down to Mrs. Chandler to replace her XP machine. It was on closeout, and after all the discounts and rebates, etc., I got it for $208. My decision not to buy at Christmas just payed off.
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HP Pavilion G7
Intel Core i3-4000M Processor
2.4GHz 3MB Cache Processor
6GB DDR3L SDRAM (2 DIMM)
750GB 5400RPM hard drive
17.3-inch diagonal HD+ BrightView LED-backlit display (1600 x 900)
Windows 8
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I’m going to install Mint with Cinnamon on Mrs. Chandler’s old machine to replace my FIL’s ANCIENT XP machine


117 posted on 02/01/2014 10:22:13 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

You got that for $208?

dang1


118 posted on 02/01/2014 10:36:54 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: A CA Guy

lol


119 posted on 02/01/2014 10:37:16 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“I’ll confess. I fear all this monkeying with my working computer.”

One nice thing about Linux is that you don’t have to install it to try it out. You can run it off a CD or DVD and it won’t make any changes to your computer. It can also run off a USB memory stick.

If you try it out and like it, Linux can install onto your hard drive alongside Windows. When you turn on the computer it will ask you if you want Windows or Linux.

It’s always a good idea to back up everything before you install anything to a computer. (I’ve been bitten in the past, too!) But, generally, Linux is safe and easy to try out.


120 posted on 02/01/2014 11:10:25 PM PST by PastorBooks
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