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To: Wonder Warthog
If that is your opinion of Rothwell, then you're an ignorant idiot.

I'll wear that compliment with pride.

As I've said repeatedly on these threads......NO! But his technology has been tested multiple times by highly competent scientists. That data is there, and to write it off because Rossi at one time was in trouble with Italian authorities is simply to display pathogical skepticism.

Look, I realize you are the self appointed arbiter of what is real and valid and as always, backed up with an appeal to authority but you, simply put, are wrong.

Not one demo that Rossi did was out of his control and manipulation. The demo with the hot-cat is equally suspicious, I'm not an expert on nuclear reactions but I damn well am an expert at electronics and yes that too is an appeal to authority.

Why did he use two phases of a three phase system to heat his hot-cat? There's no reason to, to calculate A/C power you need to break out some trig and you have to understand the entire system including the impedance of the power supply. Use D/C and simple algebra will suffice and it will be accurate. So why did he use A/C and on top of that, it was modulated by triacs, do you know how much noise triacs create? That also increases complexity and makes actual power usage harder to calculate and what instruments did they use to determine power, clamp on meters (hint, the triacs screw up the readings), this is real science to you? No, that's all wrong. Rossi says (there's that phrase again) that the resisters(heaters) are needed to kick off the reaction and modulate it with the implied possibility of a run away reaction if the resisters aren't on. I'll leave the fact that it has been said he needs the resisters ON to stop a runaway reaction to a later time. What would have been easier and accurate would be to use D/C, run it through a transistor, a small current from the emitter to the base would modulate the transistor from off to full conduction to control the resister. Then you use an inline ammeter or one across a 1ohm resister to determine current. Use a DMM to measure voltage, voltage times current equals wattage, it doesn't get any simpler.

So, why did he use two phases of a three phase power system, it isn't easier to setup, it sure isn't easier to determine the power in so what are we left with, I say deception. And how did they determine how much heat the hot-cat was putting out, an infrared thermometer. Weren't you the one who said he needed to do proper calorimetry but suddenly an infrared thermometer is good enough? Don't you have to assume some things when you do a black body calculation such as emissivity and didn't they use the number that gave them the best results? In the past, Rossi used some suspiciously placed thermocouples so we know he knows they exist, why wasn't there one on the hot cat?

Never mind the fact that it was running when the team got there, there being Rossi's 'lab' including Rossi's buddy Levy. Yeah, as you huffed, it was all kosher according to you.

78 posted on 01/28/2014 4:18:34 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Lx
"Look, I realize you are the self appointed arbiter of what is real and valid and as always, backed up with an appeal to authority but you, simply put, are wrong."

Blah, blah, blah. I see you're back in full seagull mode.

"Not one demo that Rossi did was out of his control and manipulation. The demo with the hot-cat is equally suspicious, I'm not an expert on nuclear reactions but I damn well am an expert at electronics and yes that too is an appeal to authority.

And I am damn well an expert at many different forms of measurement, not just electrical.

"Why did he use two phases of a three phase system to heat his hot-cat?

I have no idea, and mostly don't care.

"There's no reason to, to calculate A/C power you need to break out some trig and you have to understand the entire system including the impedance of the power supply. Use D/C and simple algebra will suffice and it will be accurate. So why did he use A/C and on top of that, it was modulated by triacs, do you know how much noise triacs create? That also increases complexity and makes actual power usage harder to calculate and what instruments did they use to determine power, clamp on meters (hint, the triacs screw up the readings), this is real science to you? No, that's all wrong. Rossi says (there's that phrase again) that the resisters(heaters) are needed to kick off the reaction and modulate it with the implied possibility of a run away reaction if the resisters aren't on. I'll leave the fact that it has been said he needs the resisters ON to stop a runaway reaction to a later time. What would have been easier and accurate would be to use D/C, run it through a transistor, a small current from the emitter to the base would modulate the transistor from off to full conduction to control the resister. Then you use an inline ammeter or one across a 1ohm resister to determine current. Use a DMM to measure voltage, voltage times current equals wattage, it doesn't get any simpler.

My guess is that it is how Rossi knew to do it. My take is that Rossi is not the best designer of control mechanisms. There is some evidence from other researchers that an oscillating field assists the LENR process.

"So, why did he use two phases of a three phase power system, it isn't easier to setup, it sure isn't easier to determine the power in so what are we left with, I say deception."

Speculation, pure and simple.

"And how did they determine how much heat the hot-cat was putting out, an infrared thermometer.

What is supposed to be wrong with using an IR thermometer??

"Weren't you the one who said he needed to do proper calorimetry but suddenly an infrared thermometer is good enough?

No, I wasn't "the one who said" that. Another case of you remembering incorrectly.

"Don't you have to assume some things when you do a black body calculation such as emissivity and didn't they use the number that gave them the best results?

Uh, they stuck a tag of known emissivity on the side of the hot-cat. Problem was that it didn't "stick" through the whole run, but certainly sufficiently long to calibrate the IR. And as I recall, the assumptions they used were WORST CASE, not best.

"In the past, Rossi used some suspiciously placed thermocouples so we know he knows they exist, why wasn't there one on the hot cat?

There was. It served as a second calibration for the IR unit, but could only give a single point reading. The IR unit gave the full thermal profile.

"Never mind the fact that it was running when the team got there, there being Rossi's 'lab' including Rossi's buddy Levy.

And this matters why? There is no evidence that Levi was "bought" by Rossi. Again, pure speculation.

"Yeah, as you huffed, it was all kosher according to you.

According to best evidence, yes.

The observers had full access to all parts of the equipment, including the inside of the power box.

Your whole case is speculation and assumptions.

81 posted on 01/28/2014 6:29:19 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Lx

Not one demo that Rossi did was out of his control and manipulation
***Bzzzt, wrong. The last independent demo, Rossi wasn’t in the room and for a while wasn’t even on the same CONTINENT.


104 posted on 01/29/2014 8:01:57 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Lx

Never mind the fact that it was running when the team got there,
***Not for the 2nd test. This technology is VERY tricky and Rossi tried to reprise the mistake he made when NASA showed up. The NASA demo never got off the ground. So for at least one test, the independent team would have something to measure.

there being Rossi’s ‘lab’ including Rossi’s buddy Levy.
***Rossi wasn’t always buddies with Levi, in fact Levi was very suspicious of Rossi in the beginning. There’s no reason to suspect fraud just because the demo was held in Rossi’s lab.


105 posted on 01/29/2014 8:06:22 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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