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To: Lx
"That is actually pretty impressive. So, why did you chuck all that away and begin praying at the alter of Rossi?"

I didn't. That is another false assumption on your part.

"Not curious at all, it all makes perfect sense, yes? You are bsing me, you don't find that curious at all, you would accept that excuse from a coworker and maybe we should ask Rossi himself why he made such a hash of a simple experiment? He only answers fawning letters so you are in a unique place in this regard, hop to it."

I repeat, I have no idea why he did it that way. I don't have the time to waste investigating it at this late date.

I'm in the process of ramping up a major design effort on the oceanographic systems, and have even less time (as little as that was) to waste.

"An oscilloscope is a tool, not a panacea. Was it set correctly? Correct time base, trigger set on the correct waveform. I've got a Tek 7904a and every 7000 series module that comes with it and guess what, it's a 500mhz scope but select the one time base and one vertical amp for the slower 7000 series that I have and you only see the low frequency waveform. A scope isn't a magic box, it has to be read. Again, this sounds like a cynical attempt to appear legit.

LOL. Guess what...I've used 'scopes, too. I even owned one 'til technology outstripped it. As usual, your assumption is that all the guys who witnessed that demonstration were not familiar with 'scopes. I would bet that any of the physicists there(there were several) knew how to use them.

"Lets look at this. I ask him, and he's not going to say, hey, you caught me, I am scamming, really lame and should be beneath you but I guess there's no limit to the depths of human depravity when your reality is slipping away.

And maybe he would give an answer that makes perfect sense. Another possibility is that he was targeting his equipment for the US market, and designed it to run on 110 and didn't want to buy a high-power stepdown transformer. Again you are ASSUMING that your "criminal fraud" meme is the only possible one.

"Too bad it doesn't make sense to anyone else except for his cheer leading squad.

LOL. Just because I see more possibile explanations makes me his "cheering squad".

You: No. It's pretty obvious you will go to any lengths to support Rossi.

Another false assumption.

"Allow me a little analysis. You've always been smarter than most people and you obviously have an education but you also have an arrogance about you that us unwashed masses cannot know what you and Rossi seem to know and understand. Pretty typical if not pedantic and pathetic. Rule#1, there's always someone bigger, smarter or badder.

LOL. I've known and worked with a lot of people smarter than I am. I'm a farm boy, raised with cow-shit between my toes, so I "am" (or was) one of the "unwashed masses".

Clue..... I know very well that I am not, let us say, a "top tier" intellect. My sister in law (the geophysicist) "is" one of those (and nuttier than a fruitcake). I fit at the level of "very bright but not genius". What I do have is LOTS (and lots) of experience, and a "knack" for looking at two pieces of technology and seeing ways they can fit together that other people haven't.

"That's laid out in the article, I just thought it was too funny how 900 watts becomes 360 watts. It's not who votes who counts but who counts the votes."

Didn't look at it. No time.

"Low and behold, a 2011 interview with Levy by Krivit about Rossi. He says that three years before 2011, he heard from Focardi about Rossi. He says he saw the ecat on December 2010. You were saying?

"Hearing about Rossi" from Focardi and "having seen the E-Cat" hardly translates into them being close friends. And certainly not close enough friends to falsify test data.

"Link please, can we get an amen on the number of tests conducted during May of 2013??? Seems rather nebulous to me, let's get the number of tests stipulated to so you don't have an out by way of the other test where everything went well.

Nope, not gonna happen. No time. It "was" one of the first two done in Bologna (before the high-flow overnight run). Best I can do right now.

"I actually do think that but not for the reason you think. Rossi isn't an idiot, just amoral so he listens to his critics and games the next test to quiet the critics of the last test. Scam is such a loaded word, how about fraud?

Sorry, not buying it.

"Bollocks, I so love that word. You, who did put in the time for a real PhD have no problem with what Rossi did, you know, I think you're lying to yourself.

Cheez. Look....there is a lot about what Rossi did that I don't understand, but there is enough that I "do" understand that I don't buy the "it's all a scam" idea that seems to be the only option possible for you. And no, I'm not lying to myself (or anyone else).

"I would but I was in a horrible accident and can no longer face looking at myself, thank you for bringing up that painful memory.

It appears that the injury also turned you into a monomaniac. Interesting how being exposed to the word "Rossi" turns you into a foaming-at-the-mouth nutter. Or perhaps one of the Three Stooges (".....slowly I turned, step-by-step, inch-by-inch.....")

127 posted on 01/31/2014 8:08:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog
I repeat, I have no idea why he did it that way. I don't have the time to waste investigating it at this late date.

I'm in the process of ramping up a major design effort on the oceanographic systems, and have even less time (as little as that was) to waste.

That sounds interesting, what is it and what is it for if you could provide a basic outline? Climate research? Now, this design effort, are you making it incredibly complex using obscure equipment and ensuring you're using up your entire budget or are you using the simplest tools for the job because it makes the eventual analysis of the data, easier?

LOL. Guess what...I've used 'scopes, too. I even owned one 'til technology outstripped it. As usual, your assumption is that all the guys who witnessed that demonstration were not familiar with 'scopes. I would bet that any of the physicists there(there were several) knew how to use them.

Then you know exactly what I'm talking about. Hell, you could leave a scope free running on a bench and people that don't know would think something important is going on but again, Rossi, if he actually had a scope, is again leaping over the easy method and taking the hard one. If you wanted to check to see if the charging system on your car was working, would you lug a scope to your garage or grab a cheap DMM? I'm leaving out the cool scope/DMM combos in this example.

And maybe he would give an answer that makes perfect sense. Another possibility is that he was targeting his equipment for the US market, and designed it to run on 110 and didn't want to buy a high-power stepdown transformer. Again you are ASSUMING that your "criminal fraud" meme is the only possible one.

Rossi, by any rational review of his talks, interviews and demonstrations is a master at obfuscation. Transformers are not that expensive. I buy toroid ones for vacuum tube amps and they are cheap. That is not a valid reason. For example, look at the back of any receiver in your house, does it have a voltage selector? Even the cheap ones do. This isn't rocket science. While my assertions are based on assumptions, the assumptions are based on facts in evidence.

LOL. Just because I see more possibile explanations makes me his "cheering squad".

Now, don't hurt yourself patting your own back. "More possible explanations", sounds almost reasonable but any look at your hand-waiving of anything Rossi does means you're not only on the squad, hell, you're head cheerleader dating the football captain.

You: No. It's pretty obvious you will go to any lengths to support Rossi.

Another false assumption.

Based on facts in evidence.

LOL. I've known and worked with a lot of people smarter than I am. I'm a farm boy, raised with cow-shit between my toes, so I "am" (or was) one of the "unwashed masses".

Clue..... I know very well that I am not, let us say, a "top tier" intellect. My sister in law (the geophysicist) "is" one of those (and nuttier than a fruitcake). I fit at the level of "very bright but not genius". What I do have is LOTS (and lots) of experience, and a "knack" for looking at two pieces of technology and seeing ways they can fit together that other people haven't.

Humility? Really, above average students don't have your career or degree. You probably tested above the genius level in grade school, I have no problem acknowledging that fact either, no skin off my nose. But, that leads to an enormous blind spot, you're not the only smart guy on the planet. Hell, Rossi is smart. Your arguments on all these threads have this unwritten line at the end of each one, "because I know what I'm talking about and you don't, so there."

It appears that the injury also turned you into a monomaniac. Interesting how being exposed to the word "Rossi" turns you into a foaming-at-the-mouth nutter. Or perhaps one of the Three Stooges (".....slowly I turned, step-by-step, inch-by-inch.....")

Well then, we are both allergic to the same thing because you can't help supporting Rossi no matter what he does or says and your responses are equally 'frothy'. Luckily, it appears we might be closer to finding out what Rossi actually has, then again, he promised millions of e-cats in 2012-2013 made in robotic factories and that was some serious vaporware.

148 posted on 02/01/2014 7:43:08 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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