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To: TXnMA; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
The Angels were made/created before the Earth was, because they sang to the glory of God upon seeing Him create it.

Jesus is now dimensionally much more than just our three of space and one of time. We can surmise this because He can walk through walls, appear and disappear, and travel in Time, to visit Moses in the Burning Bush, speak to Daniel beside the River Chabar, etc.

As a student of the Bible, I can say with personal certainty that Jesus is making those who believe on Him (that is faithe in Him as their Soter) joint heirs in this greater dimensionality, for when we see Him, we shall be like Him. To see Him in His fullness requires that we have the greater dimensionality very nearly to His limits, but not quite, for He is The Great I Am. Perhaps we will be ten dimensional; He will be eleven dimensional ... Nachmonides in his 1263 text on Genesis tells us there are at least ten dimensions. Modern Physicists have discovered this, too. Swift, in Gulliver's third voyage, speaks of the two little Moons of Mars, and that 151 years before these were discovered telescopically. There is more under Heaven than we know, Brother in Christ.

353 posted on 02/13/2014 1:19:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
360 posted on 02/13/2014 6:53:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN; TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; YHAOS; hosepipe; Heartlander; metmom
As a student of the Bible, I can say with personal certainty that Jesus is making those who believe on Him (that is faithe in Him as their Soter) joint heirs in this greater dimensionality, for when we see Him, we shall be like Him. To see Him in His fullness requires that we have the greater dimensionality very nearly to His limits, but not quite, for He is The Great I Am.

Thank you, dear brother in Christ, for your beautiful meditation!

That you thought it through in terms of "relative dimensionality" is particularly intriguing to me.

You point out that the best man can achieve is to come "very nearly to His limits, but not quite." This coheres very well with my own understanding of man as imago Dei, the creature made in the image or "reflection" of God. God is Source: we are reflections. Ineluctably, there is a categorical difference here of cosmic proportion.

And that categorical difference suggests that man can never be god himself — there is an insurmountable chasm between the divine and its human image.

I do believe that Jesus Christ incarnated as a man and suffered most grievously to die for us on the Holy Cross, so to pay the blood price for the sins of men, imputed to them since Adam's Fall, that they may be redeemed. And on the third day, He rose again from the dead, and was resurrected unto His Father in heaven. Thus our Lord Jesus Christ shows us, in the entire Crucifixion drama, the future of every living soul who loves Him in faith, hope, and love of neighbor.

God alone knows how many dimensions there are. But it seems to me for the above reasons that man vis-a-vis God will always come up at least one dimension short. For the image is not the Source.

Your wrote:

"...when we see Him, we shall be like Him."

Yes!!! But the operative word here is "like Him"; which does not mean "same as He."

I just mention this to dissuade people who might think there's any kind of beneficent pay-off in actual reality for exercises in "self-divinization." Examples: Hegel's Phaenomonologie; Nietzsche's Ubermensch; Obama's presidency....

If you were to ask me, these all signify Second Realities. All sound and fury, signifying nothing.... Going nowhere, and causing as much misery as possible along the way to Nowhere. Thomas More coined a term for this "Nowhere": he called it Utopia.

I'd better put a sock in it for now, dear brother!

Thank you so very much for writing, dear MHGinTN!

367 posted on 02/14/2014 3:00:54 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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