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Starvation Cannibalism at Jamestown
Bones Don't Lie ^ | 5-2-2013 | Katy Myers

Posted on 01/19/2014 4:03:14 AM PST by Renfield

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1 posted on 01/19/2014 4:03:15 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 01/19/2014 4:03:36 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 01/19/2014 4:14:24 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Renfield

They got through one hard year and apparently did nothing to feed themselves during the summer ... then winter hit.


4 posted on 01/19/2014 4:18:24 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Renfield
Lazy or stupid, or both.

For people who had crossed about 4000 miles of ocean, and parked alongside an overwhelming abundance of seafood, this is just unfathomable.

5 posted on 01/19/2014 4:26:14 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Renfield

why does the author keep asking if there was cannibalism and going back to determine if the girl was butchered when the same author cites people admitting to it?


6 posted on 01/19/2014 4:27:40 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: meadsjn

“Lazy or stupid, or both.”

You just defined the modern day libtard.

Pluck a handful of anti gun tree hugging libs from the middle of NYC or LA, drop them off in a wilderness area full of game and you would likely get similar results.


7 posted on 01/19/2014 5:10:47 AM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: Renfield

It’s important to include some context to this.

Prior to the arrival of Europeans to the east coast, the number one cause of death for Native Americans was starvation. And there are strong indications that some of the tribes did resort to cannibalism now and then.


8 posted on 01/19/2014 5:15:20 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: wiggen

Hard to say, maybe his definition of cannibalism is killing someone to eat as opposed to what the article said about digging up corpses to eat.

One is just as sick as the other.


9 posted on 01/19/2014 5:15:27 AM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: redfreedom
“Lazy or stupid, or both.”

You just defined the modern day libtard.

Pluck a handful of anti gun tree hugging libs from the middle of NYC or LA, drop them off in a wilderness area full of game and you would likely get similar results.

Maybe so, but we should try it anyway.

If it fails miserably, just keep trying until it fails miserably every time. Repeat as necessary.

10 posted on 01/19/2014 5:24:26 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Renfield
Imagine our cities two weeks after the national food distribution system collapses for any number of reasons.

Alas, Brave New Babylon 60-second Youtube trailer

Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.

11 posted on 01/19/2014 5:27:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: redfreedom

“Alive” By Piers Paul Read is the greatest survival story ever. People will do what it takes to survive.

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12 posted on 01/19/2014 5:33:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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13 posted on 01/19/2014 5:33:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Prior to the arrival of Europeans to the east coast, the number one cause of death for Native Americans was starvation. And there are strong indications that some of the tribes did resort to cannibalism now and then.

That was my question. Were the marks consistent with sharpened steel implements or stone? If stone, then the possibility exists that the remains could have been recovered from the Indians and given a proper burial.

And if stone, the premise of the article is suspect and possibly an attempt to besmirch colonists long dead.

14 posted on 01/19/2014 5:40:25 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Renfield

and I wonder if this won’t be what happens to those volunteers who are going to Mars on a one way trip.


15 posted on 01/19/2014 5:50:38 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: meadsjn
Lazy or stupid, or both.

Captain John Smith agrees

The investors of the London Company expected to reap rewards from their speculative investments. With the Second Supply, they expressed their frustrations and made demands upon the leaders of Jamestown in written form. They specifically demanded that the colonists send commodities sufficient to pay the cost of the voyage, a lump of gold, assurance that they had found the South Sea, and one member of the lost Roanoke Colony.

It fell to the third president of the Council to deliver a reply. Ever bold, Captain John Smith delivered what must have been a wake-up call to the investors in London. In what has been termed "Smith's Rude Answer", he composed a letter, writing (in part):

When you send againe I entreat you rather send but thirty Carpenters, husbandmen, gardiners, fishermen, blacksmiths, masons and diggers up of trees, roots, well provided; than a thousand of such as wee have: for except wee be able both to lodge them and feed them, the most will consume with want of necessaries before they can be made good for anything.

[1] Smith did begin his letter with something of an apology, saying "I humbly intreat your Pardons if I offend you with my rude Answer..

I am descended from one of the members of the relief party, Stephen Hopkins, who is the only person believed to have sailed on both the Sea Venture and the Mayflower. The Sea Venture ran aground on the then uncharted and uninhabited Bermuda during a hurricane, an event believed to inspired Shakespeare's The Temptest, wherein Hopkins is depicted unfavorably as the somewhat buffoonish character Stephano. (Hopkins was convicted mutiny while stranded on Bermuda and sentenced to hang, but he was popular and apparently useful, so he was spared. Or else I won't be here to tell you about it.)

16 posted on 01/19/2014 5:57:45 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: meadsjn
Mother England basically sent its labor class. They lacked hunting, trapping, or fishing skills. They were mostly planters, coppersmiths, cobblers, etc. Completely unprepared to establish a foothold in the New World. And, wild game makes itself scarce in response to the slightest hunting pressure. Bang for the buck: I've heard it said, on average, it takes approximately 20 attempts before successfully harvesting a single deer or elk with modern weapons. That's a lot of wasted energy for very little venison. Dependent upon hunting? You are going to go hungry most of the time. Note to preppers: traps are the way to go. Quiet and efficient; working 24/7. No stalking. No wasted energy or ammo.
17 posted on 01/19/2014 6:04:13 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: meadsjn

Fishing and Farming require skill. The original Jamestown colonists were adventurers and investors. They were there to make money and came in large measure from the gentry. The craftsmen were carpenters, blacksmiths, armorers, etc. They were unfamiliar with local crops and with farming in general. They didn’t have much of a chance.

Virginia, at the time of the landings, was in the midst of a severe drought. Crops failed, not only for the English settlers, but for the Indians as well. As the Indians were short of food themselves, they were less willing to barter with the English. In short, they were ill prepared for the hardships that they faced.


18 posted on 01/19/2014 6:10:46 AM PST by centurion316
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To: redfreedom

i don’t see the difference. Wounds on the girl were post- mortum. While the article is interesting the constant questioning broke any rhythm and was simply odd.


19 posted on 01/19/2014 6:21:00 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Renfield
The colony was founded in 1607 and by 1608 only 38 remained, the others succumbing to starvation and disease.

That is because the colony adopted socialism that first year. They had agreed to equally share the fruits of everyone else's labor. So many colonists thinking that someone else was growing food for them decided to go out looking for riches instead. When the first winter hit, they found themselves woefully short of food.

In the second year, they decided not to distribute equally, but instead decided that each person was responsible for his/herself if they wanted to survive the second winter. If a person wanted to eat, they needed to either produce their own food or trade with someone else for it.

That second winter, the colony survived, thanks to the evils of capitalism.

20 posted on 01/19/2014 6:33:15 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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