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To: circlecity
My sharing my degree and its age were indicative of why I am interested in the topic, and that I have studied it. It certainly was not intended as an argument from authority. I don't pretend I am. Just a personal anecdote. My apologies for that offense.

Funny thing about those who study and discuss philosophy, for anyone arguing abc, we can find another arguing xyz, in total contradiction to abc.

It doesn't surprise at all that someone like Alan Plantinga, apparently known for his Christian apologetics would take the position you state that he has taken (I confess to having never read any of his books).

And in response to this statement of yours: I most certainly can as these laws are universal and you can't provide a shred of evidence that they are "the result of trial and error"

I can only say, turn that statement around and see if it does not equally apply to your statement about moral laws being transcendant. Where's your proof?

37 posted on 01/17/2014 12:51:25 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
As the article points out, absent absolute moral truths is a world where there is nothing wrong with gratuitously torturing children - where rape, torture, and murder are not wrong or evil. But only a sociopath would believe there is ‘nothing’ that is wrong or evil. Even the materialist appeals to a moral standard and morality implies how a human “ought” to behave.

Are you an atheist / materialist? - or just looking for logical fallacies…

38 posted on 01/17/2014 1:31:09 PM PST by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: dmz
I can only say, turn that statement around and see if it does not equally apply to your statement about moral laws being transcendant. Where's your proof?"

Human experience consistently repeated throughout history.

43 posted on 01/17/2014 3:15:44 PM PST by circlecity
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