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To: Cicero
I see you are still spinning your perspective as the gospel truth. I also see that you and your ilk cast wrong characterization about brain death being invented by anti life people. You are wrong and your are ignorant on medical fact. So let's deal with the facts and not your or your compatriots incorrect opinions.

in this case mom is dead. She meets the medical and legal criteria. She is gone. The fact that she can be supported with a vent and pressors does not make her any less death. In the exact same way that organs may be kept alive for organ transplant.

In this case as the argument is made to try to keep the organs alive I think it is morally correct and in fact imperative to try to keep baby alive. However the odds are overwhelming against. The moms body will deteriorate just as the poor innocent young woman deteriorated even while her corpse was being ventilated and artificially augmented.

Finally, viability is at or about 24 weeks. Getting baby to 27 weeks would be impressive and 30 weeks a miracle. If it came to pass once fetal lung maturity were confirmed c section should occur. There is no medically responsible way to even consider trying to get to 40 weeks.

Just to be clear as I have no doubt some will try to twist my words: mom is dead, it is morally consistent with modern medical practice to attempt to get baby to viability. In my opinion the abortion right activists who are pushing for something else are totally ignorant as to the medical science.

13 posted on 01/14/2014 1:30:34 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: gas_dr

I personally think it should be the Dad’s choice, and eitther decision is ok.

I can’t imagine this is good for the baby. I don’t know why the hospital is making the call.

It’s tragic.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 1:37:36 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: gas_dr; TexasGator

Yes, the doctors can argue that she will never recover, but that’s a difficult argument to make, since there have been numerous cases where such patients have, after many months, recovered.

And it is simply a LIE to say that she is “dead.” Her heart is still beating, her blood is circulating, her lungs are deriving oxygen from the air (whether or not she can breathe without assistance). That’s not dead. Dead is when all life ceases, and the cells begin to decay. To claim otherwise is to use Orwellian duckspeak.

So, whether or not the mother is capable of coming back, I don’t know. But it remains possible. And it also remains possible that she can be kept ALIVE until her baby is old enough to exit the womb, by C-section if necessary.

The article states that MAYBE the baby was deprived of oxygen while the mother had what might have been a stroke. But they don’t seem to know that. The baby is still alive, and may be capable of living a normal life, given a chance. So, we want to kill it because it MIGHT not be entirely normal? Without even trying to find out?


20 posted on 01/14/2014 2:05:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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