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To: Colofornian

The penalties you cited had something to do with the program and its athletes. Give me one of the examples that you cited that involved a case like this one.


86 posted on 01/11/2014 11:00:31 AM PST by kabar
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The penalties you cited had something to do with the program and its athletes

Well, that depends on how you define "program," right?

I mean Memphis State had a couple of issues with their 2008 basketball program:
"...Memphis once again had to vacate the entire season of their Final Four appearance in 2008. All-American Derrick Rose (pictured) had apparently cheated on his SATs and his brother had received improper benefits in the form of paid transportation by the university.
College Basketball: The 25 Sketchiest Programs in Hoops History

I mean the SATs is obviously "programatic" but 'twas the broader university paying transportation for the basketball player's brother. (It wasn't necessarily coach/player or direct program linked)

[By comparison, in Penn State's case, 'twas the broader university -- its A.D. and other admins likewise being the primary source prob...and JoePa made sure it didn't touch "the program" by staying "out of it" ... a brash sin of omission..."I wish I had done more"...]

Fine-line example #2:

Ohio State basketball: You know a $6,000 loan was made to a mom of a high school kid, right? At that point, the kid wasn't yet part of the program. He had already signed a letter of intent, so wasn't influential in getting him to sign. Yet Ohio State basketball coach Jim O'Brien was fired in 2004 for it...and Ohio State had wins vacated for a variety of issues over a long period of time, this being a key contributing factor)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/565336-college-basketball-the-25-sketchiest-programs-in-hoops-history/page/6">College Basketball: The 25 Sketchiest Programs in Hoops History

Fine-line example #3:
1995-1996 CA Bears basketball...in which it had 28 wins forfeited:
"[Coach] Bozeman gave the parents of player Jelani Gardner over $30,000 in order to drive to see their son play. When Gardner's playing time began to slip, the parents turned Bozeman over to the NCAA."
College Basketball: The 25 Sketchiest Programs in Hoops History

Ya know, the kid was already at the school...likely none of this transportation $ ever dribbled down his way ...went for transportation only, right? It wasn't a player doin' something...didn't directly benefit the program or the athlete, right?

Yet look @ the multiple-year forfeited penalties handed to UC Berkeley.

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Give me one of the examples that you cited that involved a case like this one.

OK...if you and I were to sit down & pour over a couple dozen campuses which had multiple-year sanctions...some of them would likely be similar to one another. Point-shaving scandals, for example, have involved schools in about every decade from the '50s to the '80s!

Recruiting violations and falsifying tests or schoolwork would be other examples of this.

But minus doing that, and I'm merely speculating at this point...I would GUESS that of these, up to HALF of them involve unique situations -- IoW NOT since duplicated.

So, yeah, the Penn State "case like this one" is indeed unique; however, I'd say we might be able to readily come up with another double-digit "unique" cases occurring elsewhere.

(But, hey, at least you inspired a new tagline)

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No matter how you try to spin it...
...even those attempting to excuse Joe Paterno have to concede that the Penn State athletic budget includes...
...Its showers and what an eventual wide receivers coach and football recruiting coach saw and didn't bother to finish up with the authorities what he reported to some superiors...
...as well as its athletic director salary...

Or do you think Penn State was in error to shell out almost $60 million (plus more coming) with Sandusky's victims?

You see if a high school football coach became aware of students being sexually abused on campus without ever reading about arrests in the local paper...
...even if such crimes had NOTHING to do with the program...
...or wasn't involving a current high school coach or player (or past player)...
...If he learns about it, but doesn't EVER directly approach the authorities about it...
...especially wondering why authorities haven't approach ANYBODY at the school to further inquire...
...then, yes, there's a problem, Houston...

Hence, you have cases like the Steubenville rape of a girl where now "three other adults have been indicted for obstructing the investigation into the rape, while Steubenville's superintendent of schools has been charged with hindering the investigation into a rape that took place earlier in 2012." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case

Yes, most campus "program" penalties involve campuses DOING something problematic; and yes, Penn State has earned THE "notoriety" award for the longest period of time for DOING NOTHING while something quite criminal was goin' on!!!

(Please stop excusing or playing down sins of omission simply because they weren't sins of commission)

99 posted on 01/11/2014 1:10:35 PM PST by Colofornian (Unique scandalous irresponsibility occurring on ONE campus doesn't mean it OWNS "uniqueness")
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