[Girlene]

I’m not trying to be either of those - evasive or disingenuous. Absolutely, the woman pulls the trigger when it comes to actually having an abortion. My only point is that a pregnancy is required for any abortion to ever occur....and THAT is controllable by both the man and the woman. Without any pregnancy, abortion is a moot point.

[papertyger]

My only point is that a pregnancy is required for any abortion to ever occur....and THAT is controllable by both the man and the woman. Without any pregnancy, abortion is a moot point.

Yet that is invariably what women fixate on, rather than their own responsibility for "pulling the trigger."

Do a search. See how many women in these discussions admit, without prompting, they are the ultimate determiner.

[papertyger]

Then, as a follow up, see how many women would allow men to evade their responsibility equal to that which women exercise.