[Charles Martel]

The argument for battleships is to bombard enemy beaches prior to landing. The possibility of landing troops on an opposed beach like they did at Tarawa or Iwo Jima is virtually zero, so the usefulness of the battleship is virtually zero as well.

Apparently, the brand-new Zumwalt and the remaining DDs of its class are similarly useless, since that's their primary mission. At least the battleships might survive a counter-attack.

Experimental sub-caliber sabot rounds fired from the 16" guns were evaluated prior to the ships returning to mothballs. IIRC, they added nearly 100 miles to the guns' effective range.

[gura]

Apparently, the brand-new Zumwalt and the remaining DDs of its class are similarly useless, since that's their primary mission. At least the battleships might survive a counter-attack.

Just won the thread.