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To: Sir Napsalot

They require far too many crewmen for a modern warship, which is why they were retired again after the Bush I administration. It has nothing to do with their armament, which can reach many of the targets we want to hit. We’re not paying sailors $25 a month any more.


3 posted on 01/06/2014 1:12:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They require far too many crewmen for a modern warship

Yep. The heavy cruiser I served aboard had a crew of about 1200. You just couldn't do that these days.

Sure, you could automate the heck out of the thing, but that would constitute a whole new ship design. 16-inch guns and the 600-lb steam propulsion plant were designed to be crewed by people. They'd have to be redesigned. By then you have a whole new ship anyway.

It's all about the mission. Ship-to-ship, it's too big and slow a target and payloads these days are better than any armor. Ship-to-shore, i.e. fire support, you can get better range and accuracy nowadays without the bulk.

But they were good. My late Dad told a story about calling in fire support on a hill in Korea. He was expecting 155's but got the 16-inchers instead. He said it was a little startling when the top of the hill just went away. There's something to be said for that.

15 posted on 01/06/2014 1:28:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"They require far too many crewmen for a modern warship, which is why they were retired again after the Bush I administration. It has nothing to do with their armament, which can reach many of the targets we want to hit. We’re not paying sailors $25 a month any more.

Checked to see how many sailors man our carriers?

The combat radius for a 16" gun [full 16" not with a theoretical sabot] is only 22 to 24 miles.

That being said an Iowa makes for a relatively hard target, can carry a butt load of missiles and can I have been told can deliver as much ordinance via its 16" guns in 45 minutes as a carrier can deliver in 24 hours.

Big guns can be automated to a certain degree -- look up Des Moines class cruisers. Coming back? Probably not, in part because they have no sponsorship and partly because of the whole range limitation issue.

20 posted on 01/06/2014 1:32:53 PM PST by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two other reasons for retiring the battleships:

Replacement parts are nowhere to be found except on museum ships, if still there and in working condition.

No one has made ammunition for the 16-inch guns for decades. Whatever is left has been in storage since 1991 at Seal Beach NWS and would have to be tested prior to use.

21 posted on 01/06/2014 1:34:06 PM PST by chrisinoc
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