Posted on 01/04/2014 3:32:31 PM PST by ransomnote
I grew up going to HMB...
Not the first time those folks glow in the dark....
Spokane has huge amounts of naturally-occurring radon. One of the hot spots of the world.
"Living in Spokane exposes residents to about five times the natural background radiation as here [Seattle] because of higher levels of radon in the Spokane area."
Thanks. Knew about Hanford, didn’t know about the radon!
No, Japanese radiation.
71 sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan reported severe radiation sickness while on duty helping out at Fukushima, and the ocean current come from Japan directly to the West Coast.
In other words, it's a valid issue. You can argue that the amount is still low, but even then you'd have to show some evidence. But you can't deny the existence of the problem or the potential threat.
“71 sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan reported severe radiation sickness while on duty helping out at Fukushima,”
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Well, duhhh...”on duty helping out at Fukushima”. What else would one expect?
That has nothing to do with the west coast of the US.
“.. But you can’t deny the existence of the problem or the potential threat.”
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That was not the purpose of my original post. Yes, it is an issue that may or may not be a true scientific-based problem. I posted because you can be sure that another “Algore” will try and run scams on it...real or not. It is just how the criminal left works.
And you know that how? Because you have to be on a ship next to Fukushima? Too bad you weren't there to tell the Navy captain "what else would one expect." You could have protected 71 lives.
Or maybe because there's no way for radiation to cross the ocean? Because radiation cannot be carried in seawater? Because there are no ocean currents from Japan to the West Coast? Because there is simply not enough radiation at Fukushima to be dangerous?
Well, duhhh...
Very true. Which makes it hard to know, in the case of actual danger, how much danger there really is, versus how much the Rats want everyone to think there is. Thatnks for clarifying.
“Or maybe because there’s no way for radiation to cross the ocean?”
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Of course it can, but what is the level by the time it reaches America?
US navy sailors helping out AT Fukashima is a non sequitor, and has nothing to do with the subject.
You act as if their are giant logs of enriched uranium floating towards California beaches. Glow in the dark beach bunnies...hey, that might be trendy.
The high command scuttling all that steel at Scapa Flow post-war turned out to be a bonanza for that particular industry.
This one is not a hoax.
Agreed. Case in point. I came across the following story in the comments below one of the CVN-76 "Radiation Poisoning" news stories here:
From what I understand, radiation is airborn and it is floating across North America, Canada and Mexico. I don't know the degree of radiation I had but I can tell you it was a slow affliction, I thought I had a brain tumor. As I walked, I began to feel like I was listing to the right, I could not judge stepping over something. I would think I had raised my foot high enough when actually I had not raised it at all. I was becoming increasingly tired. It was awful. I had a pain behind my right ear that came and went. I could not sleep. I went to the Nutrition Wellness Center in Sarasota, FL. Dr. James Martin diagnosed me and I went for treatments under a tens like machine but it is 10 times or more powerful. It took many treatments to clear the beta and gamma and longer to treat the alpha. Some how between October 2013 and November 2013 I picked up Gamma again. Perhps because it is in the air, water, food, people are getting it.I believe people have it and are unaware they have it. What is your take on this? BTW, thank you for your interest. ;-)
The woman explains that she got the "radiation" during a visit to San Francisco in 2012. Fortunately, she found a cure that fit her illness--A chiroquacker in Florida with a special machine to remove the radiation.
Yeah, it's a funny story and most anyone with any knowledge of radiation biology will recognize that it was all in her head. (One of the comment responders initially tried to tell her this, but then seemed to recognize that she was better off believing in her cure.) But the point is, she is sincere, and her symptoms were very real to her.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that a number of CVN-76 sailors' peculiar reported symptoms (fatigue, bronchitis, skin bumps, vaginal bleeding, etc.) were likewise psychosomatic, or at least misattributed to their perceived exposure. None of those involved in the lawsuit are nukes (who know better). Note that I'm not suggesting the cancer cases aren't real, but rather that they were not radiation induced (which require a much longer latency period)
Of course, some plaintiffs are likely just playing the lawsuit lottery
The Pacific Ocean is a gigantic washing machine.
Wouldn’t matter.
A Kalifornia beach...hey, their Gov and Legislature exposes them to more deady forces than this radiation...and they voted for it!
Nothing like amateurs and idiots with specialized equipment they know NOTHING about creating false panic and rumors.
NOTHING and I MEAN NOTHING generates as much misinformation, lies, lunacy and unfounded panic as the
subject of radiation.
Mankind DID NOT CREATE RADIATION. We did not “make” radioactive materials. ALL mankind did was to take naturally occurring elements that have been present of
planet earth since time immemorial and concentrate them
from their normal very diluted state to a highly concentrated one. There is no such thing as “pre WWII
radiation free material”. Virtually every material found on planet earth is or was part of the decay chain of some isotope at some time. 99.9% of any and all comments that
appear in the news or on internet forums is posted by some
nimrod who couldn’t list the decay chain of an isotope if
their life depended on it....i.e. they are grossly ignorant.
I am thinking you fit the description of “grossly ignorant,” but that’s just my opinion so you’ll ignore it with ease.
Did you notice your post contains...how shall I say this...irrelevant information?
We’ve got your lecture boldly titled “MANKIND DID NOT CREATE RADIATION.” Yawn...uhm...you’ll note that your soliloquy is not related to the article or posts on the article. Straw man and all that.
You say the person is a “nimrod” and with your usual attention to detail, do no more than engage in ad hominem attacks when in fact this person knew the relavance of taking measurements over time.
THere’s the red herring approach where you sneer that this person wouldn’t recognize a decay chain but honestly, medical research proving the hazardous of radiation typically evalualtes exposure and effect and can safely ignore decay chain.
Really your posts are just tired knee jerk swings at “non-professionals.” Well let me point out that our “professionals” in the nuclear power industry are amoral and self interested so the public is on it’s own when addressing the radioactive waste those nuclear power plants keep spewing. Note also that I have had several debates with nuclear engineers or other nuke experts in which they throw dosimetry calculations at me as if that will make me bow down to their expertise and then I have to explain to them that their equations are irrelevant to human health, contradicted by medical science, and...uhmmm...quite obviously useless and then ask why they never noticed that the equations they stake their reputations on (expertise) are useuless? I mean you’d think if a nuclear engineer uses their dosiemtry calculations to “prove” that we should be more concerned about plutonium than bananas, the nuke “EXPERT” would think to himself/herself “Hey wait a minute...that can’t be right.” But nooooooo
Ok I think it’s time for you to go back to sneering about the supposed (but sadly lacking) professionalism of nuke experts. You’ll probably want to accuse anyone using a geiger counter as a leftie or tree hugger...Hey I’m just trying to help you smush together more of your trash observations.
So you post a freak story of an irrational woman and feel that you have nicely disposed of all legitimate concern regarding the topic of this thread? Uhmmmm...No. Your “story” about the deluded woman is irrelevant unless you are trying to insist that most people, except people who already agree with you, are equally deluded.
“I wouldn’t be surprised to find that a number of CVN-76 sailors’ peculiar reported symptoms (fatigue, bronchitis, skin bumps, vaginal bleeding, etc.) were likewise psychosomatic, or at least misattributed to their perceived exposure. None of those involved in the lawsuit are nukes (who know better). Note that I’m not suggesting the cancer cases aren’t real, but rather that they were not radiation induced (which require a much longer latency period)”
I don’t know what you are suggesting - it’s kind of a mess of deflection you got there. If you had any relevant evidence I’d care,but you just want to trash the “non-nuke’ types because you are so sure “nukes” are inherently superior, rational etc. Have you ever bothered to read the medical evidence about exposure because year after year, state of the art medical research proves over and over again that exposure to radiation harms human health. Now if sailors are harmed after exposure, you’re just certain it proves it’s psychosomatic. I am bored of your kind of character assassination “Sailors are lying or nukes are too smart for that...” blah blah blah, You post self-serving fact free nonsense but for some reason, you clearly feel the trash you post marks you as inherently superior. Well, go ahead and pleasure yourself by sneering at anyone who thinks it’s a legitimate topic to follow and read about.
The dose equivalent rate you posted works out to about 870mrem per year. The annual average for a US citizen is 360mrem per year from background (and another 300mrem from man-made sources). Background radiation varies across the US, Denver Co citizens get about 600 mrem per year. Persons in some regions of India receive up to 1500 mrem per year.
A US radiation worker is allowed to receive up to 5000 mrem per year.
Darn! My neighborhood nuclear power program needs 'em!
And the BEIR VII once again supports all prior medical research indicating that low doses of ionizing radiation do effect human health.
I think we should track this kind of information. If from Fukushima, that dose is going to increase because the 300+ tons of radioactive waste flowing into the ocean daily since the start of the disaster does not end...there is no projected ending. IF this dose is from Fukushima then it has to increase indefinitely with the amount of radiation dumped. THere is no known way to stop the flow of radiation from Fukushima into the air and water until there just isn’t any left at that location.
Denver? Are you referring to thinner atmosphere allowing more gamma? If so - not comparable with radioactive waste which is ingested or inhaled or absorbed through skin in fallout. Medically no comparison.
Interesting that 300mrem from man-made sources. Did you know that the nuke industries around the world have “agreed” to raise the level of “Background” radiation as needed so that above ground testing and unclaimed portions of Chernobyl can be counted as “background” because it happened BEFORE Fukushima? Radon is not comparable but pro nukers like to point to radon locations as “proof” of safety.
After Fukushima, safety limits for Japanese and US foodstuffs was arbitrarily increased.
Nuke workers aren’t protected from radiation damage by the mrem per year dose - but the oganizations that use the badge readings to limit nuke worker exposure ARE protected by lawsuits. Let me explain. For years the department of defense litigated against any worker suing for medical illnesses related to working with radiation by pointing to the tracking of the badge reading. Finally in 2000, Congress halted that practice by stating that it was clear rare forms of cancer and other radiation illnesses could occur and did occur in workers who stayed below that limit. Small exposure increases risk by a small amount. Exposure is cumulative. There aren’t “free” or safe threshold exposures - there are only legal claims that “We let him go when he reached the limit on his badge so why should we have to pay for his medical treatment.”
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