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To: adorno
Macs are still being made with the “same” components as PCs,

Yes, which is exactly why I can upgrade and memory, storage, etc.. as I wish ...

and they’re still being made to limit what an owner can do with them. A purchaser cannot “upgrade” or swap out the the hardware and can’t fix it if something goes wrong, and can’t upgrade to a different OS.

Now who's drinking the kool-aid??? On the one had you admit they're made with the same components as a PC then go on to claim I can't upgrade it? Absolutely incorrect! I've upgraded the OS on my Mac with zero issues, which is alot more than I can say about the Windows 8 --> 8.1 upgrade that screwed up one of our home computers.

Also, that’s a bunch of bull about Macs not getting viruses. The only “protection” that ever favored Macs, was the fact that they were a minor player in the PC market-place. It was mostly “security through obscurity” that had Mac users feeling safe.

Hmmm ..... I remember reading some talking points from Microsoft which stated the same thing. Who's drinking the kool-aid now?

There is nothing special about the hardware on Macs, and their is even less special about the Mac OSes.

You're really contradicting yourself here. On the one hand you claim I can't upgrade my Mac (which I can ....) because it's a Mac, then you go on to point it's the same as a PC but I still can't upgrade it because it's a Mac, and now you say there's nothing special about Mac hardware and software?

Which do you wish me to believe? Fact is, I've upgraded my Mac hardware and software in the last two years and those upgrades (specifically the OS) has gone much more seamlessly and without error than the latest Microsoft OS.

And again, I say that as a guy who goes all the way back .... (nevermind, I don't want to repeat myself.)

In fact, Mac OSes tend to go unsupported after about 3-5 years.

It's called INNOVATION, something Microsoft should be trying rather than keeping old OS core's at the heart of their OS and keeping their users back. BTW:When I say "innovation" that doesn't mean make my PC look like my damn' gaming console.

Macs aren’t selling very well lately, and they could be going the way of the dinosaur within the next 3 years, perhaps 5. Even Apple is not showing that much love for Macs, and they’ve been concentrating their efforts on iPhones and iPads.

Which goes precisely to my point at the very beginning of our discussion that Smartphones (and if you wish to include them, tablets) are not just gaining market share, they're actually replacing desktops and laptops. Why is that? Because of the basic functionality people use on their PC's they can do on their SmartPhones whenever they want, where ever they want.

A lot of people in the industry are making the same claims as I have regarding how Apple is not really serious with their Macs anymore. They’re just “mobile” and iCloud and iTunes, mostly.

That's not a majority opinion, it's a minority opinion. The fact is Consumers are driving computing "to the cloud" by their choice of PLATFORMS they use to perform daily tasks. Those PLATFORMS may be iOS, Droid or even Windows powered SmartPhones or Tablets. Apple sees that in their Consumer base, as do the Droid OS vendors.

The one who's far behind the curve and struggling to catch up is Microsoft. I have Gartner and Forrester research on my side to back that claim up.

55 posted on 01/01/2014 7:01:04 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

You have a very hard time understanding the written word, or you’re as good as spinning what you read as the best liberals out there.

Look, Macs are made with limited hardware choices, thus, you can’t upgrade your memory or your hard-drive. They may be the same kind of components as can be found on PCs, but Apple limits the make and model of any component that goes into any Mac. Thus, if you get 4GB memory in “Model A” from vendor A, then you can’t upgrade your memory to 8GB from vendor A or B or any other vendor. It’s a static machine, and if you wanted the “upgrade”, then you can only get it at purchase time, or by getting a new machine with your new specs.

Now, if you were to “upgrade” your machine with bigger memory or from a different make, OR, if you were to upgrade to a bigger hard-drive from the same original make or any other make, THEN, you have effective invalidated your warranty from Apple. There’s also no guarantee that your upgrade will work with your version of Mac OS that came with the machine. Whereas, with Windows, you can virtually switch to any size memory (as long as it’s supported by the machine’s specs and OS), and you can get that memory from any vendor (as long as it’s compatible with the machine and OS), and you can upgrade to amy hard-drive from any vendor. Windows will support the hardware, as long as the drivers are available. That’s not the case with Macs, since Macs only work with the components and drivers specifically chosen by Apple for each of their machines. If I upgrade to a different hard-drive, the drive will carry the warranty from the factory, and Windows is almost certain to support it. That’s not the same with Macs.

Heck, I know that you mean by Macs being made with quality being a main point, but, they are still very limited in what a person can do with “his/her” purchase, and if a person wishes to make modifications to “his/her” machine, he/she should not be limited by what Apple dictates or by what Apple manufactures. I’ve upgraded my desktop to include a lot of other hardware, and Windows still supports them all. Apple can’t do the same with it’s Mac OS.

Macs are still, way overpriced for what they do, and for what they include, and the hype behind Apple’s devices won’t change those facts.


64 posted on 01/01/2014 7:25:10 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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