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To: Morgana

Luther and Eck didn’t get violent when they had their debate on religion and the Bible in Wittenberg.

But I guess these two couldn’t be confused with their predecessors.


9 posted on 12/28/2013 5:59:31 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam

Yes. Luther and Eck didn’t toss bibles or anything else possessed of physicality at each other at their debates. But as I recall they did engage in some pretty tough debate tactics and afterwards the relationship went even further downhill on both sides Including Luther insulting Eck (Luther was a very accomplished master of insulting people) and ECk tried to get Luther’s books burned ( as well as working to turn the church authorities , already quite cautious of Luther, ever more against him). And basically it was Eck that had. “ outed” Luther ( or forced Luther to better clarify his views ) on such things as papal authority, and inerrancy of scripture and errancy, if you will , of church councils. Etc. . these were seriously committed men and they didn’t just have Nice friendly oxfordian style debates. They basically tried to undermine each other ( maybe Eck more than Luther). And recall also that Eck and his colleagues arrived with some two hundred students to both cheer and protect their teachers from any violence from Luther’s group. So they didn’t physically toss their bibles but if they had it still may have been a more peaceable event as it and its subsequence went down. Their confrontation was very real if not physical. And it paved at least a mile of the road to Luther’s trial and the schism. (Luther had Jewish friends and supporters but when they didn’t also sign up for his church Luther turned on them viciously. And Eck seems to have been a serious anti Semite from the get go, even defending one of the most prominent spreaders of the blood libel. So these were far from saintly men even though their contributions to the development of Christian theology were of major importance and none of us is without some sin). Or something like that. Blessings all for a very happy new year.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 7:53:16 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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