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Bitcoin is Gold 2.0: But how can it be regulated?
American Thinker ^ | 12/28/2013 | Chriss Street

Posted on 12/28/2013 10:41:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: factoryrat

Jump out there and buy you some, Einstein.

Within a year they’ll be worth doodly and the promoters will all be in hiding, killed or in jail.


21 posted on 12/28/2013 5:46:40 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: factoryrat; grania; SeekAndFind; FatherofFive; null and void; Cementjungle; All

Can't be manipulated? I'd think the volatility of the price of bitcoin is the best example of the ability to manipulate the price/value of the said commodity... er, sorry, currency. And the number of bitcoins in "circulation" is tiny, which makes it all the easier to manipulate - The Law of Small Numbers.

It's interesting that people who are ardent proponents of the ultimate fiat currency (b1tc01n?) justify it simply by denigrating several legitimate convertible currencies (USDollar, EUro, GBPound, Yen, etc.) and yet officially non-convertible but very tradable/exchangeable yuan/renmimbi and derisively calling them fiat.

The absurdity now extends even to the gold bugs, who — in real world — would be aghast at the possibility of any viable "fiat" currency "backed by nothing" (i.e., the "Seinfeld currency" ™) are on board, simply because they hate that other fiat currency - FRNs and the Federal Reserve that "prints" them out of "thin air" and that FRNs are not "backed by" physical gold.

Never mind that gold itself is "backed by" nothing, except maybe "turtles all the way down" and the tradition of accepting gold as method of payment, even long after banking systems have developed paper money and Letters of Credit and IOU notes during Renaissance, but that's another story.***

Well, bitcoin is not really in any competition with established government controlled fiat currencies.

For one, there is a "guaranteed" limited amount of BTCs - about 22 millions in "circulation" including "lost and not found" tokens, so at the fixed price of, let's say, USD$1000.00 per BTC the total value of "bitcoin economy" will not exceed USD$22Billion. This will make it similar in size to current "eBay economy" but much smaller than current "Amazon economy."

Of course, the BTC will have no choice but itself appreciate in value, sending a permanent deflationary wave throughout its economy as people hoard bitcoins. The people really benefiting the most from Bitcoin economy will be the "founders" and/or the ones who mined / were allocated early (i.e., the bitcoin "robber barons") - all of which makes the cryptocurrency the ultimate technogeeks pyramid scheme, in other words, there will be winners and the losers. The real question is, will "Satoshi Nakamoto" outdo Bernie Madoff on a USD basis?

But wait, there is more!

Why mine the bitcoins when the degree of mining difficulty goes up and the cost of economic input is higher than economic output? Why not switch your FPGAs and (later) ASICs farms to mine other, "easier" digital cryptocurrencies, e.g., litecoin ("like a silver to bitcoin gold"?), anoncoin, datacoin, devcoin, digitalcoin, dogecoin, earthcoin, ezcoin, fastcoin, feathercoin, florincoin, francos, globalcoin, goldcoin, infinitecoin, mastercoin, megacoin, namecoin, netcoin, novacoin, peercoin, quarkcoin, ripple, stablecoin, terracoin, unobtainium, worldcoin, zerocoin, zetacoin (yes, these are all real "cryptocurrencies" on the market now) etc. etc.

And if that's not enough, why not try to "roll your own" coin? I get the first dibs on the SeinfeldCoin™, unless Jerry will fight me on this before I unlock the huge potential value. Yes, acceptance maybe iffy, but it's all marketing anyway - a coin is a coin, shouldn't cost much more material to mint a quarter than a nickel or print a "Washington" than a "Benjamin".

If that doesn't work, maybe go back to good old Second Life's Linden Dollars. Or wait for the gold-backed "coin" to come on the market?**

Of course it could be a good or bad investment or speculation — just like gold — in which case "ya pays your money, ya takes your chances" applies, but that doesn't make it money ****

As a medium of exchange, bitcoin also fails, because the seller of the product or service cannot be certain of what the amount will be worth in the real currency of exchange when the bitcoins arrive to his account. There are now (and will be more in the future - see JPMorgan's patent on digital payments / transfers ***** / ******) low-cost e-payment services that don't have any of the problems of cryptocoins. Bitcoins "anonymity" is ephemeral, at best, and can be detrimental, as well as - for some - advantageous. Starbucks gift cards are also anonymous but are only "money" at Starbucks.

Bitcoin was designed as a method for digital micropayments over Internet. Just because some used it as an opportunity (e.g., illegal merch/services payments and Cryptolocker, to name a couple) to push its "value" as an "alternative currency" is beyond what the original intention was, can possibly make it an alternative investment but doesn't make it a reliable alternative currency.

"A big man knows the value of a small coin" - Things Change (1988) by David Mamet

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** E-gold founder backs new Bitcoin rival - CNBC, by Stephen Frey, 2013 November 29

*** Why do we value gold? - BBC, by Justin Rowlatt, 2013 December 07

**** Bitcoin More Speculative Than Real Currency, Study Finds - BL, by Simon Kennedy, 2013 December 23

***** What you need to know about digital currencies - CNBC, by Dhara Ranasinghe, 2013 December 24

***** J.P. Morgan Files For Digital-payment Patent - FBN, 2013 December 10

22 posted on 12/28/2013 7:18:52 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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Thank you for that excellent information about bitcoins and related "currencies". I still cannot grasp, in a few simple words, what it is that is being mined.

Since money is used for exchange as a replacement for barter, I would think that barter would result from traditional money being unreliable. One way to prepare for the future would then be to purchase those things that last so they won't have to be purchased in the future and to purchase things that could be used in barter. Old silver dollars with high content silver and a form that can't be manipulatated might make sense.

Technology can do a lot of things. It can't feed you, clothe you or house you, however. I guess that makes me a dinosaur...and proud of it.

Happy New Year!

23 posted on 12/29/2013 5:45:04 AM PST by grania
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To: X-spurt

Almost as worthless as the dollar in the near future. Money is a means of storing value for work and services performed, and most of the speculative dollars on the market today come out of thin air, and have absolutely no real world value. The day will come soon when those paper and electronic dollars will be worth absolutely nothing, ala: Zimbabwe. Real wealth is what you live, eat, and provide for family. Think the grapes of wrath, Roosevelt and his gold confiscation, and the rise of fascism in America.


24 posted on 12/29/2013 8:56:57 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

Exactly!

The only thing I would add to “Money is a means of storing value for work and services performed” is hard assets, which in consideration of honestly acquired are usually the result of work and services performed.


25 posted on 12/30/2013 6:32:22 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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