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To: ifinnegan

There are natural processes, backed up by physics/math, whereby very simple systems can tend to produce astounding complexity. Entropy may win out in the end, but given suitable random circumstances, organized structures (some self-perpetuating) can arise and be resilient for quite some time and extent.

Starting point must-read (or at least skim) books are _Chaos_ (James Gleick), _A_New_Kind_Of_Science_ (Stephen Wolfram), _On_Numbers_And_Games_ part 0 (John Horton Conway). These cover the math involved, showing intricate complexity arising from simplicity.

Next is study of physics, considering everything arises from four basic (and simple!) forces, and extends thru relativity and quantum mechanics - also simple topics at their core (they’re “hard” because they’re not intuitive from our limited experience).

Chemistry is just applied physics. Biology is specialized chemistry. How raw chemicals sprout into self-reproducing DNA sequences remains unclear, but given the above subjects it’s mostly a matter of working thru probabilities, not outright impossibilities.

Reviewing computer science may help too, discovering that the mind-blowing complexity which is delivering these words to you is, at core, nothing more than “NAND gates” (”true and true give false, otherwise give true”) adhering to “Turing machine” (another simple topic) principles. The pieces are simple; assembled unto orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude. Roboticists have found that surprisingly life-like behaviors can easily arise from rather simple mechanical constructs.

If you can take all this and wrap your head around scaling the simplest constructs thru cosmological probabilities, you may very well nod your head agreeing “yeah, most of it makes some kind of sense.” I’m not going to reject the notion of God’s hand in all of it, but I do find an awful lot of ID adherents spouting gross ignorance instead of insights where needed and plain. These aren’t matters of “belief”, they’re a matter of “if you do X, you’ll get Y, which does some pretty amazing things when considered on a planetary scale.”

[I’m very tired right now, so I apologize if rather disjointed.]


42 posted on 12/16/2013 8:19:30 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

You got snowflakes.

Self-perpetuating ?

Snowflakes.

Complexity of structure is wholly different than function.

And yes, entropy still rules the day.

Raw chemicals “sprout into self-reproducing DNA ?”

That’s a joke.

It’s never happened.


45 posted on 12/16/2013 9:05:33 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: ctdonath2; OneWingedShark; John Valentine; ifinnegan; Politically Correct

In my most humble and caring tone.

All I can say is that;

“YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD A BAG OF GOODS.”

You bought it because you want to believe.

You need an “out”.

It seems you, like many so-called scientist of our day extend the uncertainty of the scientific method beyond its capabilities, by definition.

Because it is what you/they need, in-order to avoid something that has been staring them in the face for years.


46 posted on 12/16/2013 9:26:51 PM PST by Zeneta
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