This is the first I've heard that gamma rays were detected. I'd read that Celani had a detector and Rossi made him shut it down but I'd never heard or read that he actually detected gamma rays.
I would think that's a point in Rossi's favor even though I still don't trust him.
As for P&F, I thought people that tried to replicate their experiment had tried to scale it up and failed instead of taking their exact instructions, verifying it worked and then going bigger.
It would be awesome if something happens in 2014.
Another thing I don't understand, the hot fusion reactors cost many millions but they are only to test the theory? Shouldn't they be designed to go on line after they verify the theory; what is the purpose of the reactor after proving it works? I understand that they need to test the design but they should be able to be turned into an actual power generating reactor after proving that their theory is correct.
China has attained 30 seconds of confinement? It's about time but China?
As for P&F, I thought people that tried to replicate their experiment had tried to scale it up and failed instead of taking their exact instructions, verifying it worked and then going bigger.
*** Focardi, Piantelli, Violante, Takahashi, Matsumoto, Bush and Eagleton have all seen emissions of some type from experiments.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3091404/posts
Another thing I don’t understand, the hot fusion reactors cost many millions but they are only to test the theory?
***I suppose that’s an accurate assessment.
Shouldn’t they be designed to go on line after they verify the theory; what is the purpose of the reactor after proving it works?
***They are far from that point. Basically, all the confinement attempts for hot fusion have failed.
I understand that they need to test the design but they should be able to be turned into an actual power generating reactor after proving that their theory is correct.
***Each approach seems to have its own gremlins that push it off the rails. Since they can’t get it to work, they aren’t able to generate “actual power”.
this is apparently Celani’s report
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3623rf-celani.shtml
23. Rossi and Focardi LENR Device: Celani Report
(This article was originally published on the New Energy Times blog on Jan. 18)
By Francesco Celani
[New Energy Times received the following first-person report from Francesco Celani, a physicist with the Instituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, INFN (National Institute of Nuclear Physics). His report has been edited for clarity.]
On Jan. 14, I attended the demonstration of Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi’s experiment.
It took place in an industrial building, 10 kilometers from the city of Bologna.
Only people who received a personal invitation were able to attend it. Several security people were stationed around the hall and outside the building. About 40-50 people attended.
Several people were from the physics department of the University of Bologna, including the director. The director of the Bologna section of the National Institute of Nuclear Physics also attended, in a semi-official capacity.
The experiment started at about 15:30 and ended at about 16:45.
The measurement of energy emission was based on a modified flow calorimeter method (peristaltic pump, small size, about 10-20W of power). They warmed up the water to 102°C, pressurized vapor condition. I estimate that the experiment consumed 12-14 liters of water.
A researcher and technicians from the University of Bologna made all the measurements independently. Rossi only supervised key safety aspects.
The amount of the reactant wasn’t clear, but it could be a few grams. According to Rossi, it is a complex mixture of nickel and one or two secret additives, which are the key for the energy emission. All the material is in the state of nano-particles or colloid.
In the pressurized (about 2 atm) chamber, the volume is 1-2 liters; also inside are the cooling pipe and the reactants. Hydrogen gas was added continuously, at a low flow rate.
According to the authors, the trigger is only heat (at quite high temperatures: T>T_Curie of Nickel???). Other people speculated about ultrasound. The input power was 500-700W maximum.
My approximate calculation, assuming no thermal dissipation from the reactor, gives:
- Input Energy (3600s): (500—700 W)*3600=(1.8—2.52)MJ
- Output Energy to increase the water temperature of 90°C: 4.2* (102°C-12°C)=378 J/g
- Vaporization enthalpy, about 40.6kJ/mole water= 2633J/g
- Total energy (with 13 liter of water vaporized)= 378+2633=3011J/g of water=>39.14MJ
The energy gain is a factor of 15-20, which is really large!
They also had a twin gamma ray detector assembled in order to detect e+e- annihilation. In this run, almost no such results were detected.
Focardi was confident that they were going to get large amounts of such signal, as in previous experiments. This time, the counts were close to background for coincidences, and only some uncorrelated signal was over background.
I brought my own gamma detector, a battery-operated 1.25” NaI(Tl) with an energy range=25keV-2000keV. I measured some increase of counts near the reactor (about 50-100%) during operation, in an erratic (unstable) way, with respect to background.
I decided to change the gamma detector from “counts” to “spectra” mode. After a few minutes, Rossi realized that I was trying to identify something secret inside the reactor. I was forced to stop the measurements.
The discussion, mostly scientific and even a heated debated about the details, lasted up to 18:45. Some Italian newspaper made an on-line report of the whole experiment (over 3h). The government television report still isn’t available.