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To: WhiskeyX

If you are correct, then it would have been a good idea before the 2008 and the 2012 elections to get a court order from a judge and force Hawaii to produce the original that they say they have, in a court of law. The state Registrar, Alvin Onaka, has issued three Certified Letters of Verification for Obama’s birth certificate. One of those letters was for a federal judge.
Forgery is a crime. There has never been a criminal proceeding, such as a grand jury investigation to confirm forgery and to seek indictments.

The recently deceased Ms. Fuddy claimed that there was indeed an original paper document from 1961 and that she personally supervised the copying of it for Obama’s attorney. The state registrar (who is still alive and well) says that he placed the certification stamp and signature on the hard copies of the original.

The previous Health Director is also still alive and well as she also claims to have personally seen and verified an original paper document that is stored now in the state Registrar’s safe,


40 posted on 12/13/2013 11:44:15 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

There is a Federal report prepared by order of Congress and released in 2000 that discusses the unreliability of birth certificates as identification documents due to widespread forgeries and fraud by applicants and issuing government agencies.

In the case of Hawaii, fraudulent birth certificates have been deliberately condoned and facilitated by the territorial and state governments of Hawaii for more than a century now. It is evidenced by a number of sources ranging from the fraudulent birth certificate issued to Dr. Sun-Yat-Sen, President of the Republic of China while he was a political refugee in hawaii to the recent investigations by Mike Zullo and the Cold Case Possee of the Maricopa Sheriff’s Department.

I once met an illegal alien in the State of Missouri, who came from an Eastern Eorpean nation, and he showed me how he obtained a fraudulent Missouri birth certificate. He said it was very simple. He went to the local library and found which hospitals had been in operation about the time of his fictional birth date and have since closed. He then filled out a county form for a delayed report of birth to obtain a Missouri birth certificate, claiming it was no longer possible to obtain the birth record from the now closed hospital and discarded hospital records.

I asked how he got around his poor skills at speaking English and the lack of his birth registration in the year of his ficitional birth? He responded saying the registrars have been ordered by the district attorney and other state and county officials to turn a blind eye to the discrepencies and issue the delayed brith certificate despite these glaring problems. Then he proved what he was saying by showing me his fraudulent Missouri birth certificate and his presumably worn and tattered original European birth certificate.

He is not the only illegal alien to show and tll me how they got their own fraudulent U.S. citizenship documents.

These problems were also commented upon in the federal 2000 report.

Government corruption with respect to citizenship and identity documents is reampant in the United States, and the Federal 2000 report said the prosecutors almost never prosecute such obvious violations of the law, except in criminal cases involving a capital offense and sometimes no even then.


42 posted on 12/13/2013 12:02:13 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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