Posted on 12/12/2013 11:16:54 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
Yes. Exactly right.
The native Hawaiians are not “Indians”, but they are “Native Americans” , i.e., indigenous people who occupied the territory before white men of largely northern European descent “discovered” the new lands.
The Islands themselves very nearly became part of the “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” in 1941, if the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor has been followed up in short order with a physical occupation of the territory. But the Japanese had several other irons in the fire, and failed to consolidate their initial advantage.
Nobody realizes today how very close the United States came to being on the losing side of that war, We were so woefully unprepared, and so economically strapped, it seemed to be totally impractical to achieve a mobilization before disaster overtook us. Just look at the example of Great Britain in the period of August and September 1940, the Battle of Britain. The aerial envelopment of the British Isles almost worked, and the Germans did in fact occupy several of the Channel Islands. Had Hitler not squandered so much of his military machine in trying to invade the Russian motherland, the battle would have almost certainly broke toward the Third Reich, and the United States would have been truly isolated.
Would an independent Hawaii keep the tradition of Kill Haole Day?
Otherwise, I loved my time in Hawaii, I have to say, and I was treated well by Hawaiians. And I’m generally sympathetic to those of aboriginal Hawaiian ancestry and curious as to why they didn’t, at the very least, have the status of the more prominent American Indian tribes as far as lands reserved. And, even if I weren’t, I’d want better for Eddie Aikau’s people.
I speak and read Hawaiian and have an insight into the history of Hawaii’s literacy - in 1871 whn Queen Emma and King Kamehameha 4th were the sovereigns Hawaiian people had a 90 per cent literacy rate - these days it’s 1% of Hawaiians who speak Hawaiian - which is actually a lot - and a great recovery from the near extinction of the language - however in 1993 - the hundredth year after the overthrow of the sovereignty - Bill Clinton by way of an official apology on behalf of the US Government held out the hand of rescue to the Hawaiian people - the only condition - that they start behaving like good little welfare scum - they took the bait since Clinton slyly suggested the imminent return of sovereignty to the Hawaiian people in the grand proclamation of apology by the United States... and the next day many Hawaiians walked off their jobs... convinced sovereignty packaged as a fee ride - was imminent - and the rest has been downhill all the way...
Queen Emma was a class act - when her husband Kamehameha 4th died she sought to succeed him as sovereign - which was by election I think at the time under the Constitution - instead Kalakaua took the reigns - with his wife Kapiolani (a real piece of work) - and Kalakaua being somewhat stupid set some themes in place for Waikiki and for the tourism industry to a certain extent that continue til today - 1) Hawaii as a party location and 2) saliently, inebriation...
being inebriated much of the time himself allowed a gradual chipping away at the independence til upon his passing, when he was succeeded by his sister - a songwriter and emotional blackmailer - Liliuokalani - became Queen
shortly after some time elapsed, the sovereignty was overthrown on Liliuokalani’s watch... there was armed resistance until she declared a KAPU prohibiting violent resistance by the Hawaiian people, thus unnaturally stopping the process before a decisive conclusion - leaving the question of whether the islands were overthrown or somehow ceded passively to foment forever after...
on Maui the white hippies who moved there wearing love beads - around 1987 took off their love beads and got into the get rich quick in real estate game with cultish fervor and in 20 years what had been an agricultural economy bound together by the force of aloha was been replaced with a way of life dominated by white aggression for real estate... along with public condict that is now uncivil at best... in an environment of no aloha...
on top of this there is now crystal methedrine everywhere
and the racism on the part of the Hawaiian people is edgy and nasty in a way it never was when the aloha spirit was in the air
plus, the sharks are biting
I think that the loss of any true viability of a return of Hawaiian sovereignty to the Hawaiian people began to dissipate with the election of Kalakaua instead of Queen Emma to the throne
it is sad because so few people realize how brilliant the Hawaiian people were - and how fascinatingly brilliant the Hawaiian language is - or can be - more and more Hawaiian people must learn Hawaiian and assert Hawaiianess - then sovereignty will return from the roots
a well written perspective Rust Buster , thanks !
I concur . I wish all locals could read this ;
and no forget Lake Waiau is dried to a mere puddle .....
Question : was the Committee of Public Safety justified in overthrowing Liliuokalani ? Wasn’t everything about to go to total s#it under her continuing reign ?
it was SARC
Of course I have basically the same attitude toward every other "blue" state in the nation.
Give it to em. As my 91 year old mother always says “its not really America anyway” :-)
Cut ‘em loose.
I was sent out to the Kaneohe Air Station in the ‘80s to install some software at the PX. Every morning, the non-Hawaiians were on time for work at 8 a.m. - the locals came shuffling in around 9 a.m. and then blew another half-hour at the coffee station. The boss, a Newbie from the States, asked what the Hell was going on. He was told, “Oh, they’re on Hawaiian Time” and shrugged off the slovenly work habits.
Time and time again I ran into discrimination by the locals who whined about “the whites taking over”. I told one of ‘em that you had to work in order to get ahead instead of complaining all the time - and nearly got into a fight.
I was at a Chinese restaurant when a drunken Hawaiian stood by the door and said “All you mainlanders are black and white, just like skunks. And you smell the same.” The embarrassed owner hustled the guy off, but it was just another instance of those who don’t want to do jack squat resenting the people who hustle.
Around Diamond Head and other tourist spots there were signs warning people not to leave cameras or other expensive gear visible in their cars. Reminded me of certain areas in the States.
Was glad I could come back home.
Yes.
So?
Hawaii has been part of the USA for a century.
What are you going to do with the people there? Strip them of their citizenship? Give them duel citizenship?
When a territory has been yours for a decade or two then letting it swim off is not a problem.
After a century it no longer matters how it happened only that it happened.
BTW Hawaii as an independent kingdom was not going to last. The only question was who was going to annex it first.
I think we should sell Hawaii to Japan and use the money to purchase Baja California.
Hawaii was fine until the Democrats invaded and gave them unions. Look up the history...everything Democrats touch becomes cancerous and dead.
And the rest are what, a bunch of sluts?
“Hawaii has been part of the USA for a century”
Yeah? We overthrew a sovereign government at the behests of some American plantation owners in order to get it.
I didn’t write the history. That’s just what happened.
So if you are proud of that, then wow.
#2 Give them a referendum, and let them pick. Want to be in the U.S. or an Independent nation.
#3 No Hawaii isn’t going to be invaded. Are some people looking at a calender from 1899 and think the Kaiser might make a play for the Sandwich Islands? There is also no Imperial Japanese Navy offshore either.
Point?
Native Hawaiians are under 10% of the population. If you count those who are part Native Hawaiian, you get up over 20%, but they are still outnumbered by Asians, and perhaps by Whites as well. Can’t really see a return to the days of the Kingdom, when most of the people aren’t Polynesian any more.
I think it was intended to be a joke.
I noticed most taking the poll opted for independence with federal benefits, BTW.
Correct. Anyone who thinks that giving up this piece of real estate is a good idea should read some history. Say, about the bombing of Pearl Harbor and WW2.
yep , they overthrew themselves , in the bedroom .....
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